Honestly, just speaking as someone who's been doing this for a while, gonna agree with chunk. You can improve the spaens, but they'll will suffer unless you do something with the actual geometry of the map.
Even if we knew, the CCs are not allowed to talk details outside the group. I don't know if WARHOLIC has mentioned this but all map updates MUST be coordinated through him. The CCs are making adjustments behind the scenes so your version of the map may be older than our version. Treat the file like a library book (remember those?). Check it out through him and let him know the specifics, including expected completion time, of all changes you intend to make before proceeding to update the map. When you are done hand off the map back to WARHOLIC so he can inspect the changes and update the Forgehub LIVE file share. A word of caution. Structural updates which change the map's appearance or game play should be avoided because it may no longer represent the map which is being tested. You may make spawning, z-fighting, and objectives placement changes, or adjustments which i / the CCs ask for based on testing feedback, but please save the major revisions for your season 3 entry. There is no need to fix kill/safe zones at this time.
Your refusal to take a stand and make the process more transparent is part of the problem here Nok. How can you sit back and let this be mishandled so horribly?
We were specifically told to not speak about the process or we risk losing our position in the CC group. It's not our place to provide transparency, or to dictate company policy. That falls on 343i.
Can you tell them to remove the stick from the buttholes then. Because that just doesn't make since when you are trying to sell a decent product. I guess they have already proven they are not trying to do that though.
lol, you guys think Nok will give you info if you twist his arm? He won't budge...and I gotta respect 's process as well. I really appreciate being able to help them out. Not many developers assign specific community members to find and deliver the content that eventually gets played in tournaments / matchmaking playlists. Can you think of any? The HCS candidates require pro testing both internally and externally, outside of our jurisdiction this time. I don't think there's anything wrong in that. Additionally, they are looking at feedback on the forums and listening to what you have to say. This is not a public vote, its their call but you can help inform their decision by vocalizing your concerns. PS - I thought I mentioned this to all involved forgers, if any changes are going to be made on the map, please download the version located in the ForgeHub LIVE fileshare before doing so. This way we have more consistency with whats being tested.
I guess that's the difference between you and me then, because I wouldn't want to work with people like that. Kinda sad that being a CC means so much to you that you won't stand up for what's right.
Heads up, on the waypoint article, all maps link to FH apart from tesla, can you fete 343 to correct it so it gets fair exposure
War that is not even what I mean. I just think it would be nice to explain why some maps were pushed while some are not. Nobody is twisting anybodies arm. What was the point of even collecting these maps was it just PR, so no one would be mad when they put tesla in. Is that why there cannot be an explanation. You only say you respect there process because you are a CC.
There isn't necessarily a high correlation between what we pushed and what appears on the list. At the end of the day, we are not the ones deciding what goes on a list like this. We tried to gather the best group of maps we could. Some of those maps are on the list, some are not, and some maps that are on that list were not in the group we gathered. We are not privy to the reasoning behind the map selection on that list, and so we cannot comment on it.
Calm down CC's. I am talking about . I know they have the ultimate say. This is not my first time around on of these things. I have been around since Reach. When it was even worse. Speaking about MLG of course. Not the CC's. Let me make this clear one more time. I am not talking about the CC's. So if one more CC tells me it is not their fault I am going to start thinking it is actually your fault.
The CCs job by definition is to gather community maps and present them to 343i. Period. The fact that, for an hour or two every few months, we have their ear does not mean we have the right to tell them how to run their business. If you want your voice heard turn the megaphone toward their ear. Don't try to shame us into doing it for you.
Had a different response to you, but had War look it over because I was worried it might be too heated. Here's the deal Nok, I'm not trying to shame you into doing anything I wouldn't. I've been very outspoken about i's bad decisions, and I've been very outspoken about the things I do agree with (mostly regarding H5). Sad thing is, only thing that get's the attention of i from "nobodies" like me is positive feedback or praise. I've said it before, I'll say it again now. Hell, this probably isn't the last time I'll say it either. The internal teams for MM management at i are incompetent. Not all of them, as I'm positive Tashi at least knows better than most. All I'm asking of you Nok is to be a little less of a "yes man" or apologist. I'm not gonna lie, but your general attitude really pushes my buttons. No offense, but your personality is exactly the type that brings out the worst in me.
Nok, I think Schnitzel's point here is integrity. If you are making decisions for a job that conflict with your beliefs, then you should not have that job. You also shouldn't have it if you're not qualified to even pick the maps. It's really not my area to judge though, I haven't been very observant of the CC business.
What maps would you like him advocate for? Nokyard's already stated that his specialties are player containment, community relations, organization and grifball - yet you think he should be advocating his opinions more vocally toward HCS map selections? You deny his credibility and knowledge of competitive map design, then criticize him for not participating in the selection process more. You locco essay?
I honestly don't really know what to say about some of these maps besides some are too big, some have way too many power ups/power weapons, and some of the lines of sight are just not that great on certain maps. I personally don't like any of the maps for competitive play except maybe temple, like I've said on my stream. I would rather keep the same 11 gametypes/maps than add in ricochet or a forge map. I was kind hesitant to post my opinion cause I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings that made the maps but I just don't feel like we should force a forge map to be played in HCS just for the sake of having another map. The 11 gametypes we have right now are good and if we add one of these forge maps we would have to take out 1-2 gametypes for it which might not be the best choice.