HCS: Season 2 Discussion

Discussion in 'Halo and Forge Discussion' started by WAR, Jan 29, 2015.

  1. ald_

    ald_ Forerunner
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    Sorry if I'm out of the loop, but why does everyone hate Tesla? All I hear is about how bad it is, but why?
     
  2. Citizen Bovine

    Citizen Bovine Promethean

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    I don't know either. Never played on it but I'm sure some folks just feel a little down after not being chosen. It's understandable but the reactions are a little harsh and inconsiderate of whoever forged Tesla
     
  3. Blaze

    Blaze Sustain Designer
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    I really just don't want that to be a representation of what forgers make. This will completely ruin any newcomers opinions of forgers. To people that don't play customs, a lot of the community already things forge is a waste from what some of the maps were in other games. These maps NEED to play good. That's why I am personally so against it, along with the fact that the creator refuses to take criticism and help on the map.
     
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  4. Citizen Bovine

    Citizen Bovine Promethean

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    I still think that comments about the map are not being thought through before being posted. Not only is it hurtful to hear over and over about how people think it is a joke but this is supposed to be a community where players can safely share their creations with other like-minded and creative gamers. At the end of the day Tesla was chosen and that's that. Who ever chose these maps for the list thought them to be a fine representation of what we have to offer so that's another thing to consider.
    A lot of time and a lot of effort doesn't automatically mean a map should be considered. If you trust that the rest of the maps are "worthy" then you should be open to the possibility that Tesla is worthy too.
    But hey that's all just my opinion.
     
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  5. ald_

    ald_ Forerunner
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    I checked out the map, and I don't really know what the fuss is about. The scale feels right, no clipping, jumps aren't as awkward as I've seen on other Midship inspired maps, and it looks like it works. Yes, it's not an aesthetic masterpiece, but if pros enjoy it then I don't see the big deal.
     
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  6. Diesel

    Diesel Tyler Hoyt
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    I made Tesla and it doesn't bother me. It's a very simple design and the idea of it has been in the other halo's, BUT i've played most of these forged maps in other halos as well. Dispute was in H4 if i'm not mistaken.
     
  7. Diesel

    Diesel Tyler Hoyt
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    thank you Ald_. Do you forge btw?
     
  8. ald_

    ald_ Forerunner
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    I do but I either never end up finishing my map or constantly change it, lol. For example, the last map I posted here a few weeks ago is almost nothing like what it is ATM. Still drastically changing it
     
  9. Zombievillan

    Zombievillan Ancient
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    Honestly, I just want to see something other than midship, any form of midship. I don't even like temple, it's cleanly forged & looks beautiful but it's just another midship. Plus, I don't care for Oracle but I think it's a better midship than Tesla or Temple. Maybe I'm just upset that my map is out, I have failed to even make the reserves, ever lol. Anyway, the thing with Tesla imo is the fact that it was just slapped together. I don't know who Deisel is & it's no offense to him & I don't know or care who he knows but the version I saw couldn't have even played good. Spawn points were just thrown down almost randomly it seemed. I remember some criteria saying no remakes & it's not even a "re imagination". Tesla is a quickly tossed together remake of Midship. The effort I went through on my map is multiplied in some of the other maps not shown here so to see that feels like a slap in the face.

    I apologize to Diesel though, I don't mean to give you a hard time bro, I'm sure you hear a lot of crap. I just know that some of these guys like Blaze & Schnitz & including myself have been gorging & designing since Halo 3 on Foundry back when MLG first started using forge maps.
     
  10. aPK

    aPK Greatest Forger Alive
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    Erupt has been the only map during this entire process to be worthy of a spot in the HCS. Hopefully it gets in.
     
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  11. Diesel

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    I've been a member of this site since 08. I used to be friends with a lot of forgers. I dig it man.
     
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  12. Zombievillan

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    Ok, well then I think, or know you could accomplish a much better map than that but hey, you must be doing something right cuz your in & I am out so just forget about my rant. I just want it too much I guess. My one accomplishment I never got was to get into MM so this was my last hope & I missed out again. I'm just being jealous I guess.
     
  13. ald_

    ald_ Forerunner
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    lol, I too know that feeling! I remember forging maps in Reach and 4, always hoping that one day my map will be put into MM. Never happened, but now I have these cool little pieces that I can go back and look at when bored. So many memories making maps in Reach.
     
  14. darkprince909

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    One of these maps is not like the others
    One of these maps just doesn't belong
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    It's Tesla

    Seriously disappointed in 343 right now (but then, what should I expect?)
     
  15. Citizen Bovine

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    With the limited resources we have access to with MCC and still seeing the amazing content everyone here creates gives me cause to hope does Forge some justice with Guardians. I can't wait to see what you all can build with a truly next gen Forge
     
  16. Jesus in Malibu

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    Apologies if you've been getting a substantial amount of hate directed to you but the base of the issues with Tesla is the substantial praise its been getting from 'pro players' and its consideration for HCS Season 2 not to mention the flak ForgeHub has been getting by these pro players when they say "it's not a competitive site" when we voice our constructive feedback over Tesla. No offense but I'm sure everybody else feel it would be just unfair to a lot of forgers who put a considerable amount of time into drafting, constructing and testing of their maps to look as well-forged and as original as the next to be overshadowed by Tesla in the HCS Season 2 tournament.

    While I wouldn't say Tesla is an awfully terrible map that everybody has been claiming (as I've seen far worse maps in my time) it's just not competitive tournament material. I'm sure if you ask around here, somebody will be willing to help you out and/or give you some tips with Tesla or a completely new map to be of a decent standard or better.
     
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  17. Squally DaBeanz

    343 Industries Forge Critic

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    You clearly don't understand the root of the problem. It's not the map itself, it's the politics surrounding it. Tesla was made after asking a bunch of pro players what they want out of a map, and then slapped together quickly based on these (most likely) vague responses. After that, it was getting TONS of praise from pros simply because they helped with input on the map, and the overly simplistic design takes little to no effort to learn and master. Meanwhile many of us, who have been dedicated forgers studying map design for many years, spent hours upon hours designing, building, testing, and refining maps with more originality and more potential for interesting gameplay, only to be glossed over in favor of an inferior map. All of this, simply because the creator has the right connections. That's corruption if I've ever seen it.
     
  18. TheElderAcorn

    TheElderAcorn Video Team
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    Well i officially dont love the selection, and not because my own map didn't make the cut. First off...why do we need two mid-ship clones!? I'm not going to complain about Tesla (although it really is embarrassing to real forgers) but two maps that play almost entirely the same doesn't make sense to me. At least one of those maps is taking up a spot for another unique, original design. And do we even want a mid-ship clone in the first place? I think the majority of viewers want something new and fresh! I would have liked Dispute, and Orion to make the list since they offer unique and fresh CTF/hill gameplay. Overall dissappointed in the selection, but congrats to everyone that got a spot :)
     
  19. SecretSchnitzel

    SecretSchnitzel Donald Trump
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    Well, Athelon made it. I'm happy about that. And I'm happy for all you guys that made the cut as well... Disappointed as all hell that two cookie-cutter asymms are being used for KotH over the vastly superior Orion (which is one of few maps that actually has a strong support base), but what the hell ever anyhow. Oh wait, but Orion's support base is players and not nerdy little forgers!

    Also, congrats Diesel. I'd rather see Tesla than most of these maps anyhow. Every one should piss off about trashing the map at this point. It's what people wanted, freaking deal with it. Forge nerds ended up with way too much sway in this selection process in the end anyhow.
     
  20. Orzium

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    How is temple in there if you had to create a map on skyward?
     
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