Yes, it is much tougher to use an existing framework rather than start from scratch when you are up against a dead line. In retrospect, 343i should have asked the question, "Do we want to maintain the Reach behavior?" If not, they should have considered the problems that the Reach engine presented to them before hand.
I'll admit I've never coded a game professionally. That still doesn't give 343i a reason to take fine editing away and just telling us they were working on it.. As for Gordon's quote, that was from around release time... if 343 cared, it would have been fixed in the TU. Which is what pisses me off.. At least the Majestic map pack looks better than the Crimson.. remove that lazy cover scattered around and we could have a couple solid maps..
I have to agree. Of all the things they could have talked about, fine adjustment was the only thing they actually fingered. That should have been the first thing on the list, but it wasn't.
I realize this has been a touchy subject for most everyone on here, but as a bright side to this TU, my map works with all the struts I had on it that broke the dynamic lighting in the first place, so WOO HOO!!!
No Shadowcat, you're not allowed to be happy. Stop it. I am frustrated by a lot of the problems with forge, but honestly I am making crazy stuff that couldn't have existed in Reach despite the issues. Take the bad situation and use it as motivation to make something awesome, and take advantage of what has been added instead of just being frustrated with what's gone.
Bummer We have a saying where I work "You want me to make chicken soup out of chicken poop, but all you do is complain about the taste!" IMO, 343i and Certain Affinity setup Forge this way to give us something a little different. Yes they took one of the tools we like to use and tossed it aside, so I have adapted to the new scheme. I look at some of the stuff the Artisans are Forging today and say, WOW, you couldnt do that in Reach!
Ill admit something real embarrassing... I had literally no idea about the fine editing tool in reach until people mentioned it was removed in halo 4... lmao xD
You sir win a slice of cake. Making the best of a bad situation is much more rewarding than sitting behind a computer and bitching about it.
Bitching is fine if you're willing to ***** constructively rather than complain and not do anything about it
Not do anything about what? What can I do about the sorry condition of this game besides make my voice heard by complaining? Just curious.
You have been sounding like a whining two year old this whole time. The game is not in no sorry condition and I'm pretty sure 1/2 a billion in sales would agree with me. The fine editing tool can be worked around and doing nothing but bitching about it is acting like a kid that had his candy stolen. I started forging in Halo 3 and no one was complaining then and this forum had a more mature community. 343 isn't that concerned with Forge.... when will this strike a cord in your brain? Bungie cared, 343 doesn't. They may start to care later to further add to their game or next game but sitting here bitching about it makes you sound nothing short of a abused puppy. Hulk Smash!
You got it, Nut. A half billion in sales means nothing unless people continue to play the game. Yesterday's max population was only 42k. Compared to peak population when the game came out, close to 400k. No one complained because Halo 3's forge was inherently better than Halo 2's nonexistent map creation tool. Here, the difference is actually questionable.. I know of many complainers who complain about stupid things, so I don't blame you for being annoyed at my complaining. It's not that 343i specifically doesn't care about Forge. They just don't care about most of the game. There are so many things wrong that it's ridiculous. I do have to give them credit for great base movement options (that is, other than jetpack, and to a degree, sprint).. the skill jumps you can make in this game are much nicer than you could in Reach.. ^This made me lol.
That is with most games, most people buy it because it is a new cool game. They beat the campaign, play a little matchmaking and move on to the next game. These people will buy Halo 5 & 6. It's that small percent that take the game to the next level and care about all the fine tuning. 343 being there first time making Halo on there own did a very good job. Yeah it's got a bunch of SMALL issues, it may not seem small to you but is to the masses of Halo that play it and move on. Bungie has so much more experience that they have made 343 look amateur and they are. Halo was handed off to the second guy in command. You can't expect the same quality. Halo is not 343's "baby," it was Bungies'. 343 looks at Halo like a financial treasure, we look at Halo like a recreational treasure. 343 does care and they are making fixes and updates but they tackled something way higher than they have before so **** ain't gonna be perfect. This is for you Nutduster.
That was the exact point of my post. Instead of complaining about it constantly, some choose to find the positives and use them to make something cool that can be played and put on this site. Just as an example, I was super pissed that 1 Flag was gone, and so I tried my best to make it work again, and it did. People say the new limitations of forge make forging impossible, but all the while maps are rolling out that are more impressive than what we saw back on Forge World. So when we see people complaing, we aren't saying "just deal with it", we're saying "find a positive outlook or a way to try to fix the problem." I usually like a little more forge with my Forge Hub, and right now we're feeling more like the Waypoint forums than a forging website.
I do get that you can add One Flag and such into the game, but what about things like precision editing, camera glitches, and such? EDIT: Hm. As for matchmaking, I like this new boltshot range much better than the old one. I would have liked to see some scaling implemented in addition to the range nerf, but it's a good start.
I concur... The population tells the real story, not the sales. The sales of the next title will also be an indicator, but not nearly as much as the current population. Hulk, the population is down for Halo. End of story. I would say that it is not a matter of caring so much for the game as it is their own position. Does anyone know who decided to add instant respawn, random ordnance, sprint, etc.? Once you find out who pushed for these, do you think they would want to own up to the tremendous failure of their decisions? Edited by merge: Well, that may be stretching it a bit. They are definitely different, but better? I don't think so...
Point clarification: Complaining about something once is fine. You've let people know your opinions and that's cool. Complaining about it and just telling everyone what you think should be done about it more than once is just dumb. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on what 343/CA have done right/wrong with forge and we should all bring our collective knowledge together to try and work out some solutions to these problems, rather than just moaning about them and waiting for 343/CA to go fix them. Making the best of a bad situation is what in the end makes us human. I hate to bring this up, but there are people much less fortunate than us in this world without access to basic necessities and some people are sat here complaining about a piece of software that has a few missing bits and a couple of semi-annoying bugs. So, what I'm trying to say is, quit complaining and go do something else. 343/CA know about these problems. They don't need to be told again and again.