Hello everyone. I recently had an assignment based upon the philosophical problem surrounding the identity of Theseus' ship. "In the original problem set forth by Plutarch, Theseus returns from his voyage after killing the Minotaur and the Athenians raise his ship on land to create a monument. Over the years, they replaced parts that rotted or were damaged, and eventually they had replaced every single piece of the ship with new parts, which then created a controversy among philosophers. Was the ship on display Theseus' ship? Later, in the seventeenth century, Thomas Hobbes added a new wrinkle to the puzzle. He put forth the idea that perhaps a scavenger was collecting all the pieces of the ship when they were discarded and put them back together to create a ship. Which one, then, would be the ship of Theseus? Further complicating this matter is a scenario where Theseus replaces the parts during his voyage. If he replaces all the components of his ship while he's sailing and tosses the old parts into the ocean, is the ship with fully replaced parts on which he's sailing Theseus' ship? Again, what if a scavenger collects all the discarded pieces and builds a ship out of them, is that Theseus' ship? The conundrums continue. Imagine that Theseus arrives in Athens at the end of his journey after replacing all the parts of his ship and that ship is put in a museum to honor Theseus. Then, imagine that thieves sneak into the museum and cleverly replace one part at a time with look-alike parts in order to try to sell Theseus' ship on the black market. Would a prospective buyer want the ship in the museum, the ship the thieves assembled, or the ship the scavenger built?" I'm curious to see what Forge Hub thinks on this very confusing topic.
Ownership was an idea introduced a long time ago, but that still does not make that designation any less arbitrary. The one on show is Theseus's ship, as designated by the population, and the one reassembled would also be theseus's ship, as designated by individual assignment of property Technically, from your argument, Theseus's ship would no longer be his the moment anything in it changed, but what constitutes a ship? The object as a whole is the ship, and so is designated "Theseus's ship" A plank removed it would still be part of theseus's ship, but it is not the ship itself should the parts be reassembled, and the ship be made whole, it would once again be theseus's ship, however, the one replacing it would also be theseus's ship, one as the original, and the other as the spiritual carrier of the title. should the two be reunited, the original would be given the historical designation, and the copy be given the functional designation. As a comparison, the original Alamo in SanAntonio Texas was completely destroyed, and yet the copy that replaced it is still deemed "The Alamo" Later on, the original foundation of the Alamo was unearthed and so, that foundation was designated the Alamo as well.
Why the hell would anyone make a monument out of something that easily rots or disintegrates. That is just stupid. I would say that I would not care because today that ship would not exist had it been exposed to the elements over the years, and would disintegrate upon contact with air. I mean really, what is the use for a ship, or than sailing.
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If you take apart Leonardo DiCaprio and assemble him part by part in another movie, is it Titanic or Inception?
Sounds like a lot of BS to me. I think my two drunken explanations are the only logical answers to this ridiculous problem. IT IS JUST A SHIP AND JUST A MAN, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY GREAT MEN THROUGHOUT HISTORY, LET US GIVE THEM ALL SHIPS IN THEIR HONOUR. SHIPS THAT WILL DETERIORATE THROUGHOUT THE AGES