Whoa wait...that's cool but I'm confused...is 343 making the maps or are they the community's? Also are they basically saying: We'll have a playlist like the CTF or BTB Inf Slayer playlists where you can all test the maps...once the maps are thoroughly tested by the community and yo respond with the exploits and glitches and bugs -- they'll fix them up and insert them into matchmaking? Just trying to make sure I understand haha
it is all new and we are still learning about this. but the community maps that the CC put forth to 343i will go into this playlist and we feedback and they choose based upon that feedback which ones to put into standard MM playlists. As for whether the playlist is a single game type each week or several sub playlists (e.g., CTF, 4v4, 2v2, etc.) is not clear yet. but we will see it in a few days... I like this and I think it will be very cool for forgers.
Yeah...this is kind of new right? I mean, I know community maps have been put in before but this sounds different but then again...I never actively followed the ones in 3 or Reach as closelyso it could be exactly like what Bungie did haha (x
If I see one map that looks like it was forged by a partially blind 7 year like on Halo Reach I am going to be extremely angry. I hope BravoMLG has sorted them out with knowing what a good forge map is.
Miss the times when Bungie would put community maps in Matchmaking that were actually good maps. Living Dead for example had the sickest maps. I hope this will be a step into the right direction again.
I hope some remakes get in there. Not all of them but a really good Guardian or Lockout would be amazing to see for SWAT and Slayer and Oddball and stuff. I'd also like to see plenty of original, user-created maps. I doubt remakes will get in though... :/
I was extremely disappointed with the majority of Reach Forge maps that made it into matchmaking. Many of them were easily exploitable and others didn't transition well into matchmaking. Hopefully 343i and all those involved in the decision making process choose quality maps for Halo 4. Fingers crossed.
This could be either really good, or yet another "Copy < Paste" from Reach. The way I see it is that they are going to choose maps with the least amount of framerate, aka "cookie cutter" maps. Those being bases made from the prefabricated bases. So part of me thinks that even though the community is making the maps, in turn, 343 made the maps... ON THE OTHERHAND. I would love to see creative fun maps get in such as Helix, or even Skydock. Basically maps that are on a grand scale yet don't feel so cliche. Who knows. We may be pleasantly surprised!
Hopefully they will put some of our best maps in mm. Honestly, the maps in Reach mm were not the best by a long shot. I've seen some great maps in Halo 4 that would deserve to be in mm. And yes, if the flood playlist were to turn into something like halo 3, I wouldn't be the least bit angry.
i think you are missing the point. WE the community will be giving our feedback on them in the forge test playlist, and that feedback will be used to decide what gets promoted to MM (at least that is how it was explained to me, and I don't see any other purpose for this new playlist). I think it is safe to say that the maps that are most fun to play on will make their way into MM.
A lot of great maps should be put in...does 343 select the maps that we vote on or do we enter them into the playlist somehow and let everyone vote on them? Like for instance...if I made a map...would 343i need to choose it to be in the Test playlist or do we? If that's the case, we MAY get subpar maps all around and may only get to choose the "least" worst -- if they choose bad maps that is. They might choose great ones. If we get to enter maps ourselves -- then we could for sure make all the maps great.
343 said that we will be critiquing the maps and reporting bugs which most likely means they all go into matchmaking after we play and they fix.
As far as I know, the CC show maps to 343i, 343i then choose what to put into the forge test playlist. From there we the community gives feedback (vote, comments on threads, some way??) on what we like and I suspect will be the deciding factor as to what actually makes it into MM. How many maps get into the forge test playlist is not known, but we will find out soon. The other thing everyone needs to keep in mind is that if the community feedback is the deciding factor, then it may not matter if a map is great - it may just be fun for many people. We could get maps into MM that are not great, but a lot of campers love them, for example. It is not clear from the quote I gave in the original post how much 343i will choose based upon the feedback or how much the feedback will choose for them.
I doubt 343i is going to actually ask us all whether we like a map. More likely, it'll be based on how many times a map was voted for in the playlist. Which has its own flaws. The other option is that "community" means CCs.
Okay, that makes more sense.. However, I don't believe that this will work out. There are some very odd opinions out there, and only a small fraction of us as an overall halo community are educated on what belongs in mm. I just don't see the point in including this playlist when more than half the time the maps most voted for (at least for lobbies I've been in) are not the best maps out there IMO and whatever they're looking at wont truly be what's going to be best for the playlist.
So what you are saying is that you know what someone else will find fun... do you see the problem with your position? Quit thinking everyone finds the "best" maps as the most "fun" maps. Some people love Complex because they can camp it. Others hate it because it enables camping. But each has their idea of how they like to play and what they find entertaining. And the last I checked, Halo was a game they each bought to entertain themselves with. (Having said that, if Halo ever became SPHERE and a collection of mini games and not BTB/Slayer/etc., then I would ditch it in a heart beat.)