Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn

Discussion in 'Halo and Forge Discussion' started by Stevo, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. StolenMadWolf

    StolenMadWolf Promethean

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    Yeah, I kept looking through the pages thinking the guy who made the articles screwed up on some of the facts. Though the Chief sounds like a 30 year old all the time despite the apperent age.

    Kelly and Fred did look barely out of their teens or early twenties though.
     
  2. Stevo

    Stevo Drunken Bantersaurus Rex
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    Well, I figured they HAD to be young as the war has continued for almost 30 years. If the Spartans were already 30-ish, they'd now be pushing 60 years old in the Halo 4 event, and I'm pretty sure Master Chief would no longer be a super soldier, and would instead be functioning probably at the strength and athletic ability of a standard marine :/
     
  3. mazdak26

    mazdak26 Forerunner

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    If only it was so easy to kill hunters with grenades.
     
  4. PacMonster1

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    Damn that was all pretty good

    The option to shove a live grenade inside the gooey orange of a hunter is not presented in the games
     
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  5. Wood Wonk

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    it was stated before the series even started that it takes place in 2525, that was never up to any sort of debate. and the spartans went through the augmentation process in 2524, when they were all around 14. so chief is 15. yeah, he's huge and manly, but you have to remember that first of all, the spartan IIs were the cream of the crop genetically. and when they came out of the augmentation process that all "had the bodies of 18 year old olympic athletes" at 14 years old.
     
  6. Titmar

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    holy **** episode 5 was ****ing awesome!!!!!
     
  7. pyro

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    Lasky looks a whole lot older the 14. Assuming the others are of similar age I can't imagine them being nearly as effective as they were as soldiers. It would explain the distaste for orders though.

    If the deeper voice wasn't an effect of augmentation, they could have easily put a modifier in the helmet to give them a more commanding presence on the battlefield.
     
  8. Wood Wonk

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    nah i doubt it. spartans aren't commanding officers, they dont issue orders to other soldiers. theyre pretty much always the ones getting ordered around. that was just what chief's voice sounds like
     
  9. pyro

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    Sure they're not commanding officers, but do you think lasky would have run out to take fire from a giant monster thing if MC was a squeaker?
     
  10. Wood Wonk

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    im saying theyre genetically superior superhumans who work in small teams on top secret missions. they have no need for voice changers.

    and yeah, after a giant robot man saved his life and took down one of those giant monsters single-handed, i dont think lasky gave a rats patootie what his voice sounded like.
     
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    Maybe they finally added that in in Halo 4 and this is how they tell us lol. It would be a sort of successor to the one shot to the back hunters from H1-H2
     
  12. Stevo

    Stevo Drunken Bantersaurus Rex
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    I'd be inclined to believe in the voice augmentation.
    The spartans did outrank marines though. John's rank is Master Chief which isn't an apparent rank an ordinary marine or ODST could acquire... however, ODSTs were also seen as higher rank than standard marines, yet they followed the same structure as Privates, Sergeants, Leiutenants etc...
    They're a part of separate ranking structures; John is what would be classified as a Sergeant of the Spartan II program.
     
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  13. Titmar

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    basically, it doesnt matter what his rank is, he is the ****in master chief and you do what he says. how could you say no to a face like that? <3<3<3<3
     
  14. Wood Wonk

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    master chief petty officer is an actual military rank, but youre not realizing the purpose of the spartans. he does have that rank because he is the "leader" of the spartans, but he only gives orders within the spartans, to his team. the spartan program is a secret at this point, the purpose of them is to go on and succeed in missions no normal human could. they dont interact with normal soldiers for the most part. do you think needs voice augmentation to command his fellow spartans? the people who have been with him since they were 6 years old and have followed him since they were about 8. no, the spartans have no issues with following him no matter what he sounds like.

    regardless, at 15 years old he had the body (and voice comes with body) of a 20 year old who is physically superior to other humans in any way. even if they were concerned with how manly his voice sounded, they wouldnt need any augmentation

    i dont remember him issuing an order to anyone besides his team in any of the books or games
     
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  15. Stevo

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    He doesn't issue it as an order in a sense, expecting a salute and "yes, sir". He issues a command because he is far tactically superior than any other man or woman on the battlefield. If they chose not to follow his exact command, they'd die... He has a sense of authority which gives his rank more respect.

    Master Chief Petty Officer may be available in the US Military as it is now, but there are no other Master Chief Petty Officers in the Halo Universe... it appears to be a very exclusive rank (There is however, Senior Chief Petty Officer Mendez). However, in known classifications, an Officer is often not a soldier and still follows a more unique ranking structure beyond private, private first class, sergeant, gunnery sergeant etc... even a basic officer would still outrank a soldier.

    As memory serves, I don't believe John was ever promoted twice, so the Spartan II ranking structure stands at:
    Spartan > Master Chief > Leiutenant Commander (Ambrosé, Kurt - 051?).
    However, it's obviously plausible that depending on the conditions, ranks may be skipped.
     
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  16. Behemoth

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    I wonder how The Chief and Laskey's relationship will play out in Halo 4.
     
  17. Wood Wonk

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    not quite. the spartans were trained to be well oiled killing machines, not so much military strategists. in most cases, a soldier would obey the orders of his commanding officer, who is actually trained in military strategy and tactics. if everything went to hell and a ton of people died and chief was rescuing a group a normal soldiers, then yeah they'd probably listen to him.
    also, when the spartan program went public, it was to give the general population hope. i remember reading in the books that a lot of people in the military hated chief and the other spartans at first because they were unnatural, and they thought a normal human would be better or something dumb. a lot of people didnt respect him at all, and only warmed up to him when everything went to **** and he saved all of their asses.

    i seriously doubt that. just because no other MCPOs are directly mentioned doesnt mean they dont exist.
    master chief petty officer is the rank of a non-commissioned officer, which means a normal soldier who rose through the ranks, not a trained officer.

    that doesnt really make sense either. the spartans were given those ranks based on need, but that doesnt mean they are the only ranks a spartan can achieve. john was given the MCPO rank because he was chosen as the leader of the spartans, and kurt was given his rank because overseeing the training of spartans required a high rank to be able to do the job.
     
  18. SpartanPeter

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    Man this was truly amazing, from the beginning to the end. I re-watched them all, and on episode 5 i watched the hunter part like a thousand times.
    It was quite sad that Chyler died, and how...
     
  19. PacMonster1

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    If anyone watched the "After Dawn" episode Macfarlane toys is making 500 mini-statues of that fight scene between MC and the hunter.

    The statue weighs 14 pounds and is not made of plastic

    [​IMG]
     
  20. Security

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    The whole point of Master Chief being a master chief is that it is the highest possible rank without being an officer. That's why Bungie chose it.
     

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