No Race Gametype in Halo 4?

Discussion in 'Halo and Forge Discussion' started by McJames, Oct 27, 2012.

  1. McJames

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    I heard that there isn't going to be a race game-type in Halo 4, has anyone else heard this?
     
  2. DC

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    There wasn't a race game type in halo 3 and people still made it..


    Im sure someone will figure something out.
     
  3. Skyward Shoe

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    I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere. All I have seen are the MM playlists, which obviously wouldn't include a race playlist (though I'm sure some people would love one.)
     
  4. Transhuman Plus

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    343i is so progressive that they don't see race. Or Assault.
     
  5. pyro

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    I recall hearing somewhere that race was not included, and I don't think there's any gametype that will allow easily recreating it.
     
  6. Carter1234

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    The reason Bungie needs to be involved with Halo 4 production.

    They've decreased Forging map sizes, got rid of Invasion, and got rid of race.

    Race in Halo Reach is like the only reason why I haven't spent 60 bucks on Forza. Looks like I have to now.
     
  7. Titmar

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    comparing racing in halo to racing in forza is simply retarded.
     
  8. theSpinCycle

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    You definitely could, but I would go with Forza every time.

    I suppose you could say that "at least it's racing."
     
  9. Ticky

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    What? Just because they both have racing doesn't make them similar. That's like saying Mario Kart is like Grand Turismo.

    Who cares that racing is gone? You can still make racing maps, you just won't have the gametype. I like what 343i is doing, keeping the most important/iconic of the gametypes and embracing new ones to keep the gameplay fresh. They're streamlining the experience.
     
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  10. Furry x Furry

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    Wait, what?

    Why would somebody make a map for a discontinued gametype? Racing maps are aesthetic maps now I guess...

    ...With VIP, which was also discontinued.
     
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  11. Titmar

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    hmmm

    so assuming the worst, that there is no possible way at all that people will figure out to create a race gametype...

    we can still build racetracks and drive around on them and it will still be fun.

    race has never been about winning... to me, its more about just having a good time driving around on a goose.
     
  12. theSpinCycle

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    Ticky, I'm talking in an extremely general sense, to the level of "You have vehicles, you try to go as fast as possible, and try not to hit stuff." Anything below that doesn't even count. "Oh, you can move in that game."
     
  13. Ticky

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    Because you can still race on it.....?
    You don't absolutely need the gametype.....

    Like Tittys said
     
  14. Sam

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    I never cared for race, but you cannot be serious with that question, can you? There are forge communities dedicated solely to racetracks and battletracks. There are forgers out there who specialize in racetracks. They will be deeply disappointed when they find out, if they haven't already, that they can make racetracks yet not play them properly.

    They're taking away customization options. They're taking away variety. If you play only Slayer, you'll probably be okay with these changes. I feel that 343 have taken this "streamlining" a bit too far. But maybe they can add the old gametypes back through updates, we can hope.
     
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  15. Ticky

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    I stick to what I said. Race may have had a big fan base, but not big enough for 343 to consider bringing it back. If it really was that popular, 343 would have brought it back. Take a look at Grifball. I personally don't care for Grifball, but obviously it was popular/iconic enough to be brought back.

    Or race could actually still be there and all this bickering would be for nothing XD
     
  16. Spicy Forges

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    IDGAF about Race but like ive said numerous times... Invasion :(
     
  17. Furry x Furry

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    While this is true, there has been quite a big race community (big enough to warrant the return of the gametype imo). Sure, not so much on FH though.

    I think they could have re-vamped it by integrating checkpoints with something like player trait zones to modify how race is played. I agree that most of it is just about driving but completely removing the competitive aspect is a little disheartening. It seems like they improved the physics from Reach and it would have been fun to experience it in a somewhat competitive manner. Oh well, I'll get over it.
     
  18. Redy

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    Probably they gonna include the Race gametype in Halo 4, In Halo Reach it comes by default, so, there is no reason to scratch the game mode out from the preview to the next game.
     
  19. Nutduster

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    Race was never popular in matchmaking because Bungie and 343 never seriously tried to include it (why? Who knows? Surely it would be better than half the crap that was in action sack, and a third of the crap that was in multi-team). But it was easily one of the most popular custom gametypes, judging by the number of race maps made and the download counts on some of them. It would take little work on 343's part to include it, since the rules are firmly established and its existence affects other gametypes not one whit. I do understand not wanting to bother with gametypes that proved to be massively unpopular, like stockpile or VIP, but race just seems like the studio willfully spitting in the face of any non-matchmaking multiplayer experience. "You like playing gametypes that we aren't giving our official imprimatur? **** you."

    As for this stance that they can still build tracks anyway, that's an awful argument. Anybody can make up "honor rules"-based gametypes to do whatever they want, but minigames and other custom gametypes will always work best if the rules are hard-coded. That ensures the players have to follow the rules to win; it prevents a certain amount of griefing (like the return-to-vehicle feature); it lets players who haven't had the gametype explained to them still participate; and it ends the game when a winner is determined, instead of relying on the game's host to do it. Not to mention that race in Reach has built-in features like teleporting off-track racers back to the last checkpoint to make some pretty wild tracks viable, without forcing them to be completely enclosed and unbreakable. If you really think this missing gametype isn't basically the death knell for Halo racing and track-building, you're crazy.

    I don't even particularly give a crap about race, personally, but this seems like a huge error in judgment on 343's part. One of many they've made since taking over. I really feel like they have little awareness of, or concern for, the many substantial micro-communities that Halo has spawned. And forging in general is only a somewhat bigger community than racing and track-building, so we all better be concerned about what they do with forge in Halo 5; all signs in Halo 4 are that they're not nearly as interested in advancing it as Bungie was, and I wouldn't put it past them to either retire it, or keep porting it from game to game without bothering to upgrade it.
     
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  20. Skyward Shoe

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    I agree that removing customization options is silly and hurts the community, but let's make sure we have our facts straight first, as Ticky pointed out before.
     

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