Dooo eeeeeet. I love how open they're keeping the platform as well. Rooting/flashing doesn't void the warranty, and they specifically allow for it which I love. I wonder if they'll make their overlaid system and UI available for ROM makers so we could have custom versions of Android without losing the console functionality, that would be the shiz, and would also mean they get community support for new ROM versions (I'm thinking Jelly Bean). But yeah, as for developing games for it, I love the fact that it runs on Android so you can develop and test right on the thing itself rather than needing a dev box/XNA creators account.
Major jelly. For real. Root the living crap out of it for me. [br][/br]Edited by merge: Didn't see this. Yeah, really beginning to love android's openness Source code can work wonders, I'm sure custom roms will find their way on board.
So I can finally join this discussion. I inherited an S11 (I9100M) and I dunno what to do with it! So torn. I haven't done an official update to ICS yet because I hadn't been a very big fan of the notifications of messaging on ICS (though 4.0.1). Too many ROMs though! I dunno what to choose! Any suggestions? Battery life and messaging/notifications are important to me and I don't like the stock ICS message icon
On Live is **** because it's business model is ****. The best scenario for On Live would be to have a monthly fee and players get access to a select number of games. Hell I would just have subscription leves. Free with adverts, may play one "AAA" title a month, or every week, unlimited free-to-play 2nd Tier, no adverts, two "AAA" titles a week, unlimited free-to-play Premium, unlimited "AAA" titles, etc.... This would be great for consumers, but it runs the risk of major publishers dumping out because they're not getting paid on a game by game basis. Anyways, back on topic. OUYA looks awesome as ****. I think it has a lot of hurdles to go through as well in order to survive. 1. Content, I don't expect any "AAA" content to touch the console. There have been cases in the android market where people have created carbon copy content, but I doubt you'd see any big mainstream titles, especially ones that require the efforts of a large studio. That isn't a bad thing, but a console needs big titles to make it into the living room. Content is what really drives the market, that's why the Dreamcast failed. It was never an issue of hardware, the system was ahead of its time, just that there wasn't content. IMO ouya needs some big devs on board, devs with legacy brands. That won't happen without devs cutting ties with their publishers, which essentially means they would be going exclusive on ouya. They have way more to lose than gain in all honesty. Even if ouya hit as many homes as the wii did, how could a major studio make a profit. Sure they cut out the publisher, but they'd have to pass on those savings to the consumer. (Related note: I'm also unsure of how a studio could develop content for the ouya, it would be easy to do, but in order to get those talk-about games that would drive console sales, a dev needs a lot of money to make those kick-ass titles. IDK maybe if a bunch of indie devs got together, but that would be doomed to be a failure as any "AAA" title has a small team of 'creators' and the rest are essentially 'doers') 2. On line multiplayer. If it's a content it has to have it nowadays, no questions asked. Obviously this has to free, even at $100 and the games have to bite the bullet and make sure their content has mulitplayer for free as well and it has to be a good matchmaking system. 3. On line security. As appealing as an open system is, it's going to be a nightmare for online management. I wouldn't even allow people to pay for games through ouya, force them to use paypal or something. That way even if your account was hacked, the hackers wouldn't gain access to your cc. You'd lose your paid for library of games, but that's the risk you run on an open platform. There's just no honest to god way to make that thing 100% safe. That doesn't mean it's going to be hack-kid central. Who knows maybe the very nature of an open platform will foster a 'nice' community. 4. Marketing. Okay cool, it's open-source. We as gamer nerds get that, but does the average gamer understand that? No. It's hard to run a marketing campaign that both educates and prompts people to buy the console. All you really can sell is potential. That's hard to invest $100. 5. A real console web-browser. I actually think OUYA can get away with this one being open-source and all. I think this would be a real competitive edge over other consoles. PS3 had one for a while, but eventually that went to ****.
Good phone, same as mine. But what do you mean about the messaging notifications? As for ROMs, I'm actually a little torn too right now. I've been using Resurrection Remix for ages, but got sick of this bug which developed a while back where volume goes down when you're listening to music and you receive a notification sound, but then doesn't come back up again afterwards unless you use the volume rocker. This makes it pretty annoying to get a text when I'm listening to music. It seems to affect all ROMs based off Cynogenmod or AOKP bases, as yesterday I flashed to F1 and found the same thing, which is the majority of them. Samsung ROMs don't have it, so either try something which says it's based off the Samsung ROM, or just try the official ICS update on it and whack a custom launcher on if you don't like icons and such (though as far as I know, Touchwiz looks the same on ICS as it did on Gingerbread, for the most part at least).
The stock notifications weren't as good on stock ICS 4.0.1 as they were on TW GB 2.3.3 or whatever I'm on currently. So I was leery to upgrade to ICS and lose the notifications of TWGB I liked (pop up new message on lock screen, (1) on top of message app when unlocked and have an unread message). The only phone I ever used music on was my iphone so I'm not sure I'd use this for music. I contemplated this rom: [ROM][AOKP/CM][4.0.4][21/07][AROMA] RootBOX ICS [v1.7][Milestone 6][LG Launcher+SGS3] - xda-developers because it was super popular (so it seemed).
When the GS2 upgrades to ICS, it will still be heavily skinned with TouchWiz. I can't tell you specifically if the notifications are the same, but I'd be willing to bet they are. Your phone won't see stock ICS. On the Ouya subject: until Google can curb piracy, I don't know how Ouya could be too profitable.
ICS had a customizable app bar (the static, bottom app section that I forget the name of at the moment) right? I hate that about my current build...want contacts off and internet/email down. As for Ouya: I wonder if the hardware is selling at all above cost..since it was a kickstarter they aren't out any money atm, but true enough...paid apps would have to be so good you'd want to donate to the creator lol.
You're referring to the dock. But like I said, ICS isn't going to do anything for you in that regard. Unless you flash a different ROM or use a different launcher, it won't matter, cause you won't be using stock ICS. It'll be a nearly identical TouchWiz (Samsung's custom UI) interface to the one you're rocking now. So if you do go to ICS, download Apex Launcher. It's like stock OS, but much more customizable. You can replace dock apps, replace any icon you see with a custom one, have multiple docks that scroll, re-size widgets, have scrolling widgets, and if you get the paid version, there's even some awesome swiping gestures. Pre-ICS, there are some other great Launchers that can accomplish the same feats on Gingerbread. ADW, Go Launcher, or Launcher Pro (my fave).
Yea, you definitely couldn't set out to sell, there clearly is no price point at which peopl won't pirate regardless of the content quality. A free to play game with adverts is really the only successful model out there for open platforms.
I use Apex and love it, but the one thing I really miss is app drawer folders as an option. I'd happily buy the pro version if this was included, but it isn't, only the pro version of Nova includes it. It's the one thing tempting me to switch back to Nova once I settle on a new ROM. BTW, anyone know any good SGS2 ROMs which are based off AOSP? Basically, all the ones I've tried and liked have been based off the last RC for CM9, which has this bug where the music volume goes down when you receive a notification, but doesn't come back up unless you use the volume rocker. I'm pretty sure it affects all CM and AOKP based ROMs at this point, apparently the latest CM nightlies have fixed the issue but no one who uses CM as a base has updated their code or something. Idk really, all I know is that it's still an issue in the latest version of both Resurrection Remix and F1, and it's really hacking me off.
Apex offers folders in-drawer. It lets you sort your drawer by customized categories via tabs. I have a media, games, and search tab, and it just takes a click (sometimes 2) to pull up each one. You can have 3 tabs showing at a time, and if you have more, you just click on a title and select the one you want. See my drawer here-
I know what you're talking about. It was fixed in AOKP after Build 38 I believe? I'm on Build 40 (milestone 6) and it's no longer an issue.
The first sign of it being able to boot on an Epic 4g Touch (Sprint's version of the s2) was seen on twitter earlier today. But it's not even an alpha, and it's not available to the general public. Waiting earnestly for my device to get a working port What phone do you have that has CM10 functioning?
On the subject of OnLive and OUYA, an interesting announcement. Eh, not quite as good imo. I'd easily have more than 3, and I prefer folders sitting amongst apps within the draw as opposed to a tab system personally. Oh cool, thanks. Res Remix is now based off M6 so I think the latest version should be worth flashing then, gonna do that today. Wow, looks fun to try. Let me know how you find it, I can see them getting off the ground with it quite quickly considering I saw a post from the CM team a week or two ago saying that the GS2 build was still a long way off from anything flashable. If this is "a long time" then this gives me hope. Samsung are gonna take ages for a stock update and the resulting source, at least that's my suspicion. EDIT: Consider trying this one as well. It's the Jelly Bean version of the ROM I'm using. I just flashed to 2.6.1 (the final ICS build) this morning cause I want to wait until it's based on a stable AOKP build before upgrading to JB, but it looks nice and plenty of people are saying it's solid enough to use everyday, though I'm sure more bugs will pop up in the next few days.