Predicting Skill

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  1. Plasma Blades

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    So, a while back, my friend mentioned that he had a pretty good way of predicting the skill of a player before playing a game with them. He said that the majority of the time, if someone's armory completion is higher than their commendation progress, then they're typically not that great of a player. Since then I've looked at these two values before each game starts, and it seems to be a pretty accurate barometer of the individual's skill (obviously though, it's not a guarantee). Anyone else notice this? Or have any reason as to why this may be true?

    And for that matter, any other way that any of you use to predict skill beforehand? Rank is hardly an accurate representation since it's really just time played.
     
  2. Zero Point

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    I wouldn't actually say that's true. After you reach Inheritor, you've got everything you want (and why not the entire armory if you've got the cash then?), all those extra credits you earned from commendations aren't worth the time of doing one specific thing over and over and over and over again.

    What I end up doing all the time is going from the highest to the lowest ranked person on the other team and go through their total matchmaking stats and if their kills are higher then their deaths by a longshot, then they are more often than not going to be a problem. Even if they boosted for that k/d, I'd rather be safe then sorry and tread lightly around them.
     
  3. iamluke21393

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    Well, if they've unlocked the haunted pilot helmet, that's kind of a representation of armory completion, and you can't unlock that until you complete H3 on legendary. So...
    I dunno. I wouldn't say it's accurate though. Some people grind custom challenges in FF matchmaking for credits, and some people just don't care about any armor pieces they don't want, so it all depends on the person.

    Edit: I'm comfortable just looking at a person's k/d and BPR. Not always accurate, but not usually too far off.
     
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  4. Shanon

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    I usually just stick with k/d.

    There really isn't a definitive stat that determines how good each player is compared to the other, but I find k/d to at least give me some idea at how successful the person may be at surviving/killing.
     
  5. iamluke21393

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    Something we agree on. I just knew we'd be best buds one day.
     
  6. SPL4TTERMAN

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    Makes sense considering I usually end up doing way better than most Inheritors I run into.
     
  7. Erupt

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    I totally go by GamerTag. It's pure instinct. :p
     
  8. RightSideTheory

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    The more XxX's a person has, and the more letters they replace with numbers. That's how you tell who the really good players are. Childish and immature words also indicate greatness.

    xXxH34DSh00tDahN1gg3zXxX > God.
     
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    Players that are only positive by like 1500 are good.. (me) jk i iz badkid, but KD really doesn't mean ****, people can just sit in multi team all day, but yet I'm still intimidated by it
     
  10. Pegasi

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    This. It can be way off, but it's the best tool you have for quickly trying to gauge how good someone is in the lobby without stalking their stat page and cross referencing K/D with the playlists they frequent.

    But it's still far from perfect. Take Shad0w, for example. My K/D is a reasonable amount higher than his (2.06 vs. 1.85), and we've both played enough to theoretically get an accurate figure for K/D, but just ask him what happens whenever we play each other.
     
  11. RoboArtist

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    Also most people who wear the military police and Emile helm and bulky shoulderpads/grenadier chestpiece are usually a little kid or someone who's obsessed with Gow (soldiers on steroids) or games like that and try to look as big and intimidating as possible. But in halo, most experienced players would see through that and determine the players a wannabe. Just my opinion but that's how I see it
     
  12. Shanon

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    I pile on the biggest pieces of armor I can find.

    I want my spartan to look like a massive douchebag.
     
  13. Pegasi

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    Wait for face-mapping.

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  14. Shanon

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    Ouch, Peg.

    Ouch.
     
  15. RoboArtist

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    I find myself making my Spartan look like a douche, also, to throw players off. They find me bagging their corpse soon afterwards

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    Skill or not, the use of frag grenades and melee are so common in this game, even for me, it's disappointing. Real life: I'd use the gun in my hand to react to a killer in front of me, not throw a frag at him. In halo: average reaction is to throw a frag or run up and melee. I just hate it when nibs get lucky and succeed.
     
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  16. IH8YourGamerTag

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    I can usually tell who sucks about 10 seconds in because they are betraying for the sniper/rockets/hammer/wraith/banshee etc lol

    Seriously though, there's no real reliable way to predict how good players will be. The armory to commendations ratio isn't really reliable once you have everything... I will say however if someone has 100% armory completion (as I do) but their commendation progress is much lower... as a general rule they aren't as good a player
     
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  17. Korlash

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    I must be the worst player ever, 85% armor, 36% commendation.

    It's just the stress of trying to perform an incredible feat in multiplayer matchmaking that makes me play poorly.
     
  18. That Scorch Guy

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    Predicting skill? I like this topic. I'm a very judgmental pre-game player. Someone is going to be insulted, I can tell...so let me give a disclaimer that this is just a general trend I notice, not saying every player doing 'x' is 'y' or anything like that.

    Personally, I don't agree with the commendation/armory thing. Especially toward the higher tiers, when you're fighting Eclipses and above and everyone has an armor completion of 98% or greater, that statistic isn't very accurate. Myself, I have 50 something commendations and 98 armory, but that's because I predominantly play Matchmaking. I have 5 Onyx MM and only 1 non-MM Onyx, that being in firefight. Only 33% of the completion directly shows Matchmaking experience. Sure all of it helps you learn the mechanics, but each mode is a very different beast, and even within that, experience =/= skill.

    Time for some stereotyping!
    As people said above, xXx and ThIsSeIzUrEoNsHiFtKeYsCrAp generally indicate compensation, or pretended badassery. Not always, but in many cases.

    IRLName1820971969 Isn't promising either.

    EOD helmet users sprint-pummel way more frequently than other helmets. I swear.

    Identical Service Tags show misunderstanding of their purpose.

    Weed as an emblem isn't a good sign either.

    Derank in their name is just a given.

    Bigger armor/more knives/obsessive amounts of ammunition and skulls? We got a badass over here.


    Just my judgmental habits. They impact my decisions a tiny bit, until I get in game long enough to figure out how each player is actually going to react. They're not terribly accurate, but I swear, EOD kids...

    As for K/D: I think it's not accurate. I've met great players with a 1.1 and bad players with a 1.5 or 1.6. Because you can stat pad in Grifball and count that towards competitive K/D and W/L, I only look at specific playlists and trends, and even then I see it as only a possible indication of skill and not a concrete rating.
     
  19. IH8YourGamerTag

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    Also, a rule of thumb: if they are an inheritor and they are NOT wearing the haunted helmet they are usually fairly skilled. At least that's my experience in FFA

    That being said once I get it I'm wearing the **** out of that helmet
     
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  20. Pegasi

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    Agreed. I have 99% Armory Completion and 35% Commendation Completion, because I play almost nothing but MM and have gotten my rank based solely on that. Tbh, commendation progress is largely dependant on playing all 3 aspects of the game, and people who play nothing but MM are often better at is as a result.
     

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