Having to rely on custom settings and whatever MLG sets up is wrong. I want the vanilla settings to be true Halo settings. The casualization of game settings, the appeasement of noobs, is causing an ever greater rift in the community. Halo isn't a skillful game anymore, its a game of instant gratification. Any one that still plays it for competitive merit is vilafied and wrangled into a corner. Look at Halo Reach. The general mentality towards competitive minded players these days is "go play MLG or Arena". A casual gamer will play anything. Give us true Halo settings for the majority of the playlists. If a casual wants to play faggity **** **** games, they can go to Action Sack, Infection, or whatever new garbage playlist would feature all this AA bullshit.
Again, that's retarded. I can pretty much guarantee there'll be classic playlists with the old options, you know it as well as I do. And if that's what you're looking for, you have no cause for complain.
It's more the idea that 343 has abandoned the core of halo, and not really cared about the formula of the series and not wanting to cater for the older players that made halo so great. If there was spartan ops (we need to give that a new name ) AND firefight, it would be brilliant. I think the reason reach failed on it is because the maps were bad. Alpha Site on ODST was so fun because it was such a small map with backs up against the wall. Y'know?
Yeah, just like how Reach had a classic playlist at launch. Regardless if we'll get a classic playlist or not, I want the entire game based around beginning on an even playingfield. Telling people not to complain because there will be a single playlist without stuff they hate is beyond ridiculous.
No, thats not it. The issue is that real Halo has been pushed to the side. I'm not gonna buy the game to have one or two playlists that are worth playing. The game should be full of classic playlists with the stupid new gimicky **** in its own playlist. I can't believe your actually alright with this. Bet your a H3 kid. [br][/br]Edited by merge: Go play MLG dude. You're ruining Halo for the rest of us.
... If you get what you wanted, why does it even matter? You're pretty much saying "Yeah, they're giving me what I want, BUT OTHER PEOPLE AREN'T ALLOWED ENJOY THEMSELVES TOO!". I agree, I'm not exactly delighted with some of these things either, but if I feel like playing Classic Halo, and there's a decent chance there'll be some sort of Classic playlist, then I'm satisfied. [br][/br]Edited by merge: I've been playing Halo since the beginning. I've loved all the games, 2 had the best online multiplayer. 3 was fun. What do you want, exactly? If you're going to take a dump on every change that comes along, then why not go back and play one of the other games? As I said, some of the changes have me worried, but a game needs to change. If you're in it for the competitive, even playing ground aspect, that'll be there, I'm sure of it. It just sounds like you're mad at change for the sake of being mad at change. 343 aren't retarded, they'll tailor for the casual player, but they aren't going to forget about the vets either. And I'm not defending it, either. I'm just saying to chill the **** out until we see AT LEAST a little more. There isn't a whole lot to go on here, and we've already been told that a lot of the things we've seen have been misinterpreted/some things have changed. The least you could do is chill out until the podcast is out.
No. No. No. **** sake no. I want Classic TS. I want Classic FFA. I want Classic Obj. I want Classic Swat. I want all the classic mother effing playlists because thats why I played Halo. I want a game that is built around the classic core Halo mechanics. Not this new bullshit. If people want perks and stupid ****, go play CoD. If M$ is so damn adamant about forcing it into Halo, then make it a ****ing minority playlist. Don't completely over wright the whole game with it. I don't get it... 343i comes in and saves Reach by giving us the TU and No Bloom. They romance us and promise they'll make Halo play like Halo again... We had reason to believe them, their changes to Reach were amazing. Hell, the made it possible for us to have settings on par with H2 again.... But it was too good to be true. We should have known they're just money loving corporate bastards. We should have known they'd bend us over and **** us like the good little whores we are. Neo, your blind support for this ass ****ery disgusts me.
Blind support? What? I am ****ing FAR from alright with this ****, but you need to open your freaking eyes and see the difference between Blind support and not being a whiny, pessimistic ****. Most of the changes have me worried. But the difference is, I want to give the thing a chance, because I don't particularly feel like being a downer ALL THE ****ING TIME. There isn't any need for it. I see exactly where you're coming from, and I feel the same way to an extent, but I don't think that whining about CONSTANTLY between here and the chatbox is going to be of any help, when you could instead be talking about SOME aspect you're excited about.
I won't chill. I chilled for Halo Reach. I stuck it through that abomination of a game. I let Bungie convince me that change won't hurt the core mechanics of the game... I let them tell me "it'll still feel like Halo". I'm not gonna sit around and let 343i play the same card and **** us over again. I'm gonna make a ruckus, complain in every thread possible and at every forum possible. Sign every mother effing petition possible and pray that there might be a chance that this franchise is saved from this ass ****ery. And if they don't... Well, I'm not buying a game to have only 2 or 3 (which is overly optimistic) playlists that are worth playing. I'm not gonna buy a game to be forced into the MLG pen again. Forge and MLG were enough to keep me holding on through Reach, but its not enough for me to commit to another game. Edited by merge: Well I suppose I should turn a blind eye to all the bad **** and praise the few things that look cool. Spec Ops looks awesome... But I'm not gonna turn a blind eye to the massive injustice we were just delivered with the perversion of the core game mechanics... Bad **** happens when people turn a a blind eye to injustices... Hitler made the German people feel strong and important again, why should any of them have cared about him butchering the Jews right? Apples and Oranges comparison, but you get what I'm saying. Giving something that pleases us doesn't make the bad **** any more tolerable. If you were a true fan about this raping of Halo, you'd be up in arms about it as well. You'd be voicing your concerns about how this is bad. You'd be trying to make a ruckus that would hopefully catch the attention of 343 and convince them to make some MAJOR changes... But I suppose your content with busting out that tube of fanboy lube and getting ready for the massive dicking that is Halo 4....
My **** are on fire. Gonna need a bloody extinguisher to put this out. Eric Cartman - South Park xD.wmv - YouTube
I opened the tub of lube ages go dude. Dear god. I do see where both of you two are coming from. Change is nice, but its the pissing off true halo fans that pisses me off. The new parts shouldn't be left out, it's nice to have a game with change. It's a bit too different to take precedent. It's a bit like action sack at the moment. It's fun, but it is so different from the core experience you can't stand much of it.
I think after two pages of bitching at eachother it will be nice to see one or the other stop replying.
There may be a lot of new features coming into Halo 4, but keep in mind, while they may be adding a whole bunch of trash into the mix, they've also been working with MLG to make sure there would be a playlist at launch. So hopefully, even if Halo 4 is covered in the filth that is all these new updates, MLG will keep the classic-ish settings that everyone should want.
Sorry, but please cite your basis for being so sure. It took over a year to get anything close to proper classic settings in Reach, and even then you had to pay for extra content (Anniversary or the map pack) to actually get it. Even then they still kept bloom in the CE gametypes, and there's nothing like a classic H2/H3 gametype. The closest thing is ZB Slayer which still has AAs. Sorry, but your blind faith is more retarded than what he said. Further to that, if you can't see the damage that such distinct segregation of gameplay style does to a game then your brush off response may sound like a valid answer, but trust me it isn't.
Hey SS, stop insulting ALL casual players. The definition of Casuals is a bit different than yours. Casuals are people who play for fun, not really noobs. I like infection, but I still think skill is important. Retarded kids is what you're talking about, just like Competitive players are different than XxxXXXpr0zquIcKScoPezzzXxxxX kind of people who think they're pro by sitting in the back of Hemmorhage with a sniper.
I don't want to have to play only one playlist to not play with all this bullshit they are adding to the game. If I want to play Slayer, Team Slayer, Objective, I want to play in the real deal. I'm pretty sure I can speak to any halo fan familiar with the series and they'd completely agree with me. Most of these new additions are trash. I'll be buying it, but whether I'll be playing it remains to be seen.
NBNS MLG ~ H2.... And still, I refuse to support the game if we're gonna be herded into a corner with only one or two playlists with real Halo settings. My argument is that the defualt settings in all playlists should be similar to H1/2/3 and the gimicky stuff should get its own little shithole playlist.
I'm going to give it a chance. I may not be happy, but it is what I have been waiting for for 5 years and im not just going to let it be thrown away.
Yeah, and it took MLG to create these settings and they're still in a playlist which needs fair balance more than any other, but doesn't have a parties v parties rule. I know this is MLG's fault, but it still makes the point that you can't rely on a community playlist to make the game playable in a competitive sense. The fact remains that even though the TU was good in what it enabled, 343 still haven't fully utilised it to create a proper classic experience. Having faith that such an attitude will magically yield an effective classic mode in H4 is senseless. This is my point as well, segregation is not the magical please-all answer that it seems to be when you glance at the issue for 5 seconds.