Cellophane v2

This map was definatly fun to play, lots of height variation. I still don't agree with the spartan laser though, I just didn't find it useful at all. Still, the map is sexy and and I'm diggin' the barrier in the rock.

 

I have one major problem with this map. The spawning. You always spawn on your side of the map, and there's no neutral spawns. You might want to fix this a little bit. It may work for objective, but not Slayer.

 

Hm, that’s the sky view of this map? I didn’t recognize that you made this one... It was a pretty fun one to play on and im glad you didn’t add the middle platform I suggested because it was great to play on without it. I must say, I never said this during forgeing but the incline with a small incline in the middle really seems odd to me. But really great and fun map to play doubles on. GREAT JOB! -lol

 

Looks pretty solid to me from the pics, but there's something about the spartan laser on the map that bothers me, I have no idea why, but I recommend you replace it with a powerup to make it looks more MLG-ish.

 

Does this map only have 1 spawn like all your other maps?

Yes, this question was necessary.

 

I really liked the looks of this map when you showed it to me the other day. The only concern of mine is the spawns. You have each one specifically set for th team which can easily lead to spawn killing. The way to prevent this is by keeping the respawns neutral and using spawn zones set to teams. Spawn zones can greatly reduce the amount of deaths right after spawning. Other than that I really liked the hight variation. The lazor i feel is more of an anti-vehicle weapon, and so it's usefulness here is questionable. The use of rocks in the stairways is very nice. Overall very nice map. And as I've seen this is just one of many good maps you've made.

 

Frenchys, it looks like you need work with your spawns is pretty much the only problem that I see people are saying. I never have colored respawns in my maps, so maybe you should take peoples feedback on the spawns then re upload the map. Otherwise, I do like the layout of the map. I really like how you used the rocks in the right places, especially in the middle of the map.

 

Respawn zones are most certainly NOT the answer. Zones throw the weighting of each spawn point off horrendously. Its best to use colored spawn points. The real issue is spawn placement and balance across segments of a map. Weak Zones are also acceptable to add a little extra weight to some points that you'd like players to spawn in more often.

If you'd like Frenchy, I could go over the spawns with you sometime. My GT is RedSchnitzelSec

 

I have to disagree here. Zones do not ruin spawning, forgers ruin spawning. Most forgers use zones, as seen in many Bungie, community and MLG maps. Although, there is no 'right' way to set up a spawn system. I think everyone would agree, however, that using neutral respawn points reinforced with zones is much easier than than team-labeling every respawn point. Spawn placement definitely is a game breaker though, and I personally would rearrange some of your spawn points, keeping players backs to a wall as often as possible, and around a corner as opposed to at the end of a hallway.

Getting back to the topic, I checked this out in forge. I like the layout, it's simple and seems effective. I would be worried about the enemy team having both Snipers, especially in Dubs, but then again it does reward the more offensive team, and that may be what you want.

I gotta say. I love the Laser and I would not hesitate to use it on infantry in a map without vehicles. Rockets are always used as the neutral power weapon and I think it's great that you chose the Laser instead. It takes more skill to wield a Laser, and a little bit of luck.

 

@bold: Completely agree.

@non-bold: Totally disagree. Take for instance SaLoT's MLG Pit remake. He went with neutral spawns with a hard zone to set teams. Unfortunately the hard zode has too strong a positive influence on spawns, which allows for plays to spawn in close proximity to negative influences such as deaths and enemies. Arguably it will make you spawn more frequently near other positive modifiers such as team mates, but a strong zone is a maxed out positive influence which means that positive modifiers don't really affect the outcome of where you spawn. It creates more of a random spawn in this sense.
However; if you color each individual spawn point, they have a base value and can be modified more effectively by negative and positive forces. Its more time consuming to do this, but as you spent so much time building a map, why would you care to be fickle about spending a couple minutes more time?
Additionally, if you want players to spawn in a particular area more frequently, add a weak spawn zone. A weak zone is slightly stronger influence than the base value of a spawn point, but not so strong that it breaks the spawn system. An anti-zone is the equivalent to a weak, but in the negative influence aspect.

 

Ok, you posted a v2, did you fix your spawns?

 

Spawns should be better. If not, its on me.

 

Its a shame I didn't get to play on this map more than once. Though the one game I had on the map was certainly enjoyable. Having the laser as the power weapon of the map certainly a unique choice, and surprisingly works well. I would keep it, but just realize that it isn't everyone's cup of tea. I don't if the problem is still existent, but when looking at the map from the corner there was some slight disco. You might want to trim down some of the object count and that should fix the issue.

 

It looks very nice and agree with everyone else the spawn placement could be better I love your use of ramps on this map it looks really great same with the height variations it really helps with the gameplay but the spartan lazor could be taken out because for one it is hard to hit a moving enemy and two its an anti vehicle weapon. Besides that great map and I can't wait to see more of your maps

 

@Frenchys0 - I don't see what you're talking about for the small incline .....You need to show me this on XBL . Thank you for comz .

The ramps on Picture 5. The middle inclines are waisted and to me it seems worse-looking then just a plain old ramp. I know an important thing to keep in mind is making your map look like its not made of forgeworld objects, but it looks silly to me.

Also a thing i noticed was that the size of this map makes me feel I cant jump around freely like I want to lol. Maybe raise the ceilings? (If possible ofcourse) If other people feel the same way I would try to make that happen. One thing I do like though is the rooms off the bottom floor, those are good. (As seen in picture 2) I like those rooms. But nice changes, I like the idea of tac-jump and the inclines! Keep up the good work Frenchys.

 

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