Oh my, i had already typed out half of what you just put, word for word.... and then thought it would have too many F's in it so i went to make tea. But exactly. There is so much a game can give you that other forms of media can't. Shear entertainment is nothing, its dry and pathetic. You need emotion. To get emotion you need to feel involved. To feel involved you need choice.
Umad? Game companies are interested in money, players want entertainment. Passive entertainment is still a form of entertainment, it's easier to make it passive, therefore cheaper. At the end of the day, you're just butthurt you're getting less for your money. The sooner you realize it isn't going to change until it is no longer mainstream (lol) the more sane you will be.
See, this is what I'm not getting. It probably took hours to make that sequence happen. They had to correctly animate all of the characters. Spend time making all of the buildings and adding assets to the level to make it come alive, etc. It probably cost as much to make that entire sequence as it does to make an entire level in Portal, maybe even two, hell probably half the game. DICE is cutting down on testing time, because really what's there to play test? ha ha ha /pretentious laughter So, I'm not buying the whole passive entertainment thing as being cheaper to make or even easier for that matter. It's certainly easier to think of. I just don't understand it when people get all slap happy about firing a rocket at building. Dude that rocket was intense. I won't be buying the game, so I guess I should just stop this little escapade. If this is what you like and want most out of a game then so be it.
You come across to me as someone who bases their whole opinion of games from a select few... Different developers have completely different perspectives on what they make games for, and this changes and matures with age. On top of that, not everyone plays games for entertainment, as previously said many many times, there are a whole other string of feelings associated with games that are far more potent and far more important.
I don't really see the point of this argument. What makes you think you won't be able to do that in the multiplayer? If that is truly what you love, than stick to multiplayer. I can assure you that is what 70% of BF3 players will do when its released, and I'm willing to bet the vast majority of them will be satisfied. [br][/br]Edited by merge: Also, I have a hard time believing in playing games not for entertainment. Sure, some might be more focused on story and interaction, but if a game isn't entertaining nobody is gonna play it.
What are you talking about? BF1942 and BF3 didn't even have campaigns, and as far as I can see, are pretty much the same in the multiplayer department. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think that the trailer was part of the campaign, and if it was, it was just the introduction to show everything off. It does say that its based off of pre-alpha software. I don't know. And it seems everyone here is basing their arguments off of speculation. I find it easier to watch these trailers and think, "Wow, that looks awesome" rather than think about what could possibly go wrong. And the whole "we want to be more like CoD" thing is kind of funny, because that's not want he said at all. He said there was nothing wrong with choosing a linear campaign over a sandbox game, and I agree. Its all personal preference, and saying a game is bad because of it is really narrow-minded.
I was referring to the lack of depth in single player that's perceived to be there due to the trailer I've been harping on. Someone brought up C4 and UAV's and blah, blah, blah. Multiplayer will probably be pretty good, nothing different from any other major shooters. Every game has a story, whether you get to play the story or watch it unfold in a cut scene is up to the designers. I think cut scenes are important for giving the game context and background, but that's about it. Passive entertainment is also not the only form of entertainment. Seriously, I'll bring it up again, Portal is massively entertaining, but you still control the experience. I don't mind the concept of a hybridized cut scene, so long as I, the player, direct it. If you're going to let me play the game, let me play, don't force me to play it exactly how you think it should. EDIT: Well, I like to speculate, so what. I watched the game-play trailer for Hawken and it just showed the game play. It was fast-paced, lots of movement, but nothing over-whelming. I watched the other trailer for BF3 and it was mainly static, the player stayed within same general area. Like comparing Duck Hunt to Quake. (Not in terms of graphical fidelity of course, style of play) And it seems everyone here is basing their arguments off of speculation. I find it easier to watch these trailers and think, "Wow, that looks awesome" rather than think about what could possibly go wrong.[/quote] Again, I'm in agreement that it looks awesome. I don't think it will play awesome. And the whole "we want to be more like CoD" thing is kind of funny, because that's not want he said at all. He said there was nothing wrong with choosing a linear campaign over a sandbox game, and I agree. Its all personal preference, and saying a game is bad because of it is really narrow-minded.[/QUOTE] He indicated that it would be more like CoD. Anyways, I agree in telling a linear narrative, depending on the game, and constricting the player to certain levels as they progress, but that doesn't mean the entirety of the campaign's level design should be linear. Go back and play Mario N64, it's certainly a linear game, but the open world level design allows for great depth of play.
I agree with this, I was just clarifying that even though entertainment isn't the most important thing about a game for many people, for most it is and therefore I think it's perfectly logical and necessary for developers to focus on that aspect.
LESS BITCHING MORE ITCHlNG! YouTube - Battlefield 3 - My Life Trailer [br][/br]Edited by merge: and this too. YouTube - Battlefield 3 - Full Length "Fault Line" Gameplay Trailer
I can not wait for this game. The graphics, the gameplay I've seen so far, everything just looks awesome. I'll probably be getting this over MW3 this year lol.
That 12 minute trailer really has me pumped. I love the atmosphere and the gunplay looks really intense. If DICE can just nail the story and not give us the typical war story or action hero story, then I'll enjoy it.
well the earthquake thing puts it on a different angle already, but they're gonna have to execute it well. also, grenade explosion looked cooool
Is the story supposed to revolve around that earthquake in the demo? Is it a story where a massive earthquake has put the US military in disarray and given the terrorists a fighting chance? I thought that might have been it, but wasn't completely sure just from that demo.
Is that really the story arc they're going with? An earthquake is Allah's answer to the terrorist's prayers. I'm going to have a huge laugh if that is the case.
I have no idea if that's the basis of the story, just a guess. I'd much prefer that than the political mumbo jumbo Medal of Honor failed at pulling off or the laughable action hero that CoD employs.
Muslims are not a race. They are a religious group. You mean to say bigoted not racism. Also not being a bigot, laughing at Battlefield 3's story arc. But seriously come on. You're really willing to accept an almost supernatural disaster that completely debilitates the U.S. Military and only the U.S. Military, which allows terrorist groups the world over to rise up and kick the U.S. in the shins? WTF. Have you lost all mental cognizance? Don't worry, I'm sure they'll pull some contrived story line out of their ass instead of the above farce. @Shataki, I find it completely ironic that you'd say that the above story would be a good one and that your expectations of the game would be diminished with any plausible narrative. TBH QKT, I'm surprised that you of all people have succumbed to dribble like this. What happened man? Also, just watched the Fault Line trailer. Game looks good. Same comments about game play as before, except now you can't open doors for yourself, everyone curses for added emphasis, enemies now run into your bullets instead of you running to shoot them, etc...
you keep saying what happened to me, but you keep at being ridiculous. we were debating what could happen. there's more places to this game. i.e. the jet gameplay, the mountain are that you see the paratroopers on. there's still 99% left to see. you keep weaving fact from assumption and then telling us that our ideas are wrong, when they are just hypotheticals. FYI the opfor arent insurgents, if you paid attention its an organised force. they arent muslim, they are the PLR, your assumption they are is racist. an earthquake affects everybody; and supernatural? wth are you on about?