Turmoil in Libya; Operation Odyssey Dawn

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by What's A Scope?, Mar 20, 2011.

  1. Jex Yoyo

    Jex Yoyo POETRY, bitch.
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    The success of a government has nothing to do with whether its dictatorship, democracy, republic, or communist.



    One of the most glorious moments in civil rights for the French was the Napoleonic Era. Never before had there been unrestricted rights to vote, a policy set up by him. And nearly everyone voted to have him their dictator. He put up a system that gave women rights, which would be taken away after his banishment and not seen again in the world (except Russia) for a very long time. He also came within inches of conquering the entire European continent.

    America is one of the best examples of a democracy. It is the only revolution that hasn't followed the traditional trend of power going over into the lunatic fringe, followed by a counter revolution, something that can only happen because of the people. You could make a case that the civil war was the counter revolution, but the fact that it was an unsuccessful event supports this case further. Finally, during the cold war, we were the dominant power against Russia and communism. America is currently the largest active imperial power on the planet (being one of the few remaining!)

    Ancient Rome is the perfect example of a Republic. After their last king was banished, before the emperor, the Republic of Rome was already well on its way to becoming the most powerful imperial state that the world had ever seen. Even after it turned into an empire, it kept growing with the system that was set up and Julius Caesar, the most well known of the Leaders of Rome (who had various titles of power named after him: everything from czar to kaiser to tsar,) started a policy that shot it into the forefront of human rights.

    The USSR, despite all of your patriotic hatred of it, was nearly the most powerful state to have ever existed. It fell out of glory during the revolutions of 1905 and 1917, then less than fifty years later was the only world power capable of opposing America. Whine all you want about how communism is evil, and then give me an example that shows how communism is a failure when it worked so perfectly for them. Its still working for China in fact, now an emerging global leader.



    A successful government always does, and always will, depend of the support of the people and the competency of the rulers. Any system can work as long as it has those two factors.
     
  2. What's A Scope?

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    I really think it is selfish to say that America should fix its own problems blah blah blah. That's like saying,"Oh, I just ate my third meal today but don't have enough money to get that new car. i won't send money to help get food to Africa. Let them starve I have my own problems." Yeah, we're in a recession and we have other problems, but **** those people are dying there everyday. And remember it's not just the US. There are many other nations involved and the US wasn't even the first to take part in this.
     
  3. RedNeck

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    If you want there to be an America in 10 years, we better start helping ourselves. If you compare ones own self to helping somebody, or somebodies, then it might make sense to ignore your own needs for anothers'. But there are millions of people in America that rely on a stable government. We have to consider those people before they DO end up like the starving children in Africa, or the radiated people of Japan. After all, if we don't take care for our people, we will be too busy dealing with starvation and radiation poisoning (among other natural disaster-related situations), as well as a budget deficit and corruption, in our own society.

    If we ignore our needs (IE deficit), then we won't have the facilities that keep our water clean, or nuclear plants under control, and our levies sturdy. Meaning we won't have the ability to do what we're so good at doing - helping other people.
     
  4. What's A Scope?

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    The thing is we are helping ourselves. We can help others too.
     
  5. RedNeck

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    We're helping ourselves? We passed an Affordable Care Act, when our health care isn't our major problem. Our $14.2 Trillion debt is our major problem, and we haven't done anything about it. We can't even pass a budget.
     
  6. BASED GOD

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    war is ok when Obama does it
     
  7. CzIz

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    what about Osama?
     
  8. RadiantRain

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    All we seem to get for trying to help anyone now a days is hatred... Instead of fixing it themselves, they beg for America to come with their bigger guns. Then we either mess up, or end everything and it's "get the **** out of here".

    Only 5% of Libya's oil goes to the U.S, Libya only makes 3% of the worlds oil... So that pretty much means we're there to help the people... By spending our money. While Europe, and Libya sits back to then get mad at us...
     
  9. Security

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    And that's a bad thing?
     
  10. RadiantRain

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    Not what I meant, by that I meant we're not there for oil like we are in Iraq, but at the end of the day... Everyone's gonna hate us for trying.
     
  11. Matty

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    Well you are meant to be handing over operations control, so it's not like you'll even have responsibility for what happens.

    It's France's mess anyway.
     
  12. CzIz

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    This. blame the french.
     

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