NO. @DeStarfighter, if you're gonna make a "Guardian remake", don't change the map design, or else it's not a REMAKE of Guardian, it's just a map INSPIRED by Guardian. If you're aiming to make a Guardia remake, then make a Guardian remake. If not, then don't call it a remake.
First, I don’t think that the changes I’ve made have turned this to a completely new map, Some changes was needed to make it work with Reach’s new game mechanics. That led to some adjustments in the layout/design. The layout is still the same as the old Guardian, just not by the pixel. As for your opinion about what a Remake is. . . well lets say this, if that was the case there wouldn’t be any REMAKES at all in reach because noone can make an exact remake in forge while still keeping it clean and functional. It’s a balance between copying every detail and making it work with the pieces you got in forge. This is still a Remake.
Stop being so ****ing anal. Let's call it a Guardian revision for now. Calling it a Guardian inspired map doesn't do this justice considering that, having played quite a few games on it, it feels almost exactly the same as Guardian.
Thanks Matt, nice to have some people around that isnt. . . as you said "so ****ing anal". I'm trying my best with this map and its nice when people apriciate it.
Don't worry man, everyone who's played it enjoys it. It is absolutely a remake, and is by far the best Guardian remake I have seen, or at least it will be once framerate is fixed.
I've walked through this map, and I can say that it needs quite a few of the jumps to be a truly amazing map. What made Guardian so great was that there were so many unexpected jumps that you never knew when an enemy was going to sneak behind you. The main ones I suggest getting done are the one that lets you go above the sniper spawn, top gold to the room with the plasma batteries (not sure exactly what it's called now), and possibly the jump that goes to top gold and the one above shotty spawn. Those last two aren't essential, but I highly recommend the first two. Without those jumps, the map is only a great map in aesthetics. Don't worry though, making those two jumps won't be too hard a job, forgewise.
well, as I have written on the post, this is not made to be an exact remake as far as copying all the jumps and every detail in the asthetics and structure design. anyway what I was hoping to do with this one was to create a bunch of new tatical jumps players will learn and use, alltough I might try to fix a couple of the old ones to satisfy the croud. Still the main issue for the moment is to reduce the framerate lag as much as possible.you might have noticed some lag in a couple of views of the map when you were walking thru it. Even tough its not devastating it still is unwanted. So you see thats my top priority now
You misunderstood me. I'm not asking for an exact remake, but those jumps would make the gameplay of your map so much better. Like I said, the jumps pretty much made Guardian into what it is. You should take that into consideration, but still prioritize framerate fixes. I didn't notice any lag while we were playing a Custom Game on it. Which views are you referring to, specifically? It would probably be a good idea to get some MLG players to play this map (And by MLG players, I mean fairly competitive players such as Fritzster, Mac xL, Bleuprint, SecretSchnitzel, Col Keller, etc. After all, Guardian was a highly competitive map, with only The Pit being preferred over it.
Won’t it be a problem if all the jumps were built exactly as in halo 3? I mean like with the new game mechanics in reach. . . You might rebuild a couple of them but more then that would be kind of unnecessary, because I’ve played this and as you said this version got a lot of new jumps to discover ^^ Anyway, how is the fight against the frame rate lag going?
Well of course they should work with Reach's mechanics, that goes without saying, but that map feels empty without those jumps. Lifeless. Aesthetically, I like it and I think he nailed the fresh new feel, but gameplay-wise, it just feels like nothing is there. It does not feel like Guardian should feel. Sure, it is Guardian with some changes, but I think he should get at least a small sense of accuracy to the map. The only area I really seemed to like was the area around the Shotty. The other areas just felt like they were useless and unrewarding to go to. The former yellow lift room was alright, too, but the thing he didn't get right is the Snipe Tower. You've gotta have the jumps in that place to make it feel just right. I don't feel that it needs to be exactly like Guardian, but he should at least give it more of the spirit from that map. Without the jumps, I might just have preferred Blackout to Guardian.
Dude, that’s almost insulting! How can you say that this map feels nothing like guardian except some small areas? And what do you mean by that it felt empty. And I think it got a great deal of accuracy to the original map. Like what could you expect from a remake in forge world? This is probably going to be the best Guardian remake out there when finished. I almost think that destarfighter should finish this map without any of the old jumps to prove a point that it still got the same feel as guardian and that the game play on it still is awesome. What everyone else says is the greatest thing about this map is that it nailed the feeling of guardian even tough it has some differences. Saying that it feels empty and not like guardian just because a couple of jumps just seems stupid.
Insulting? You seem to have forgotten that he wasn't trying to make the map exactly the same as Guardian. All I was doing was being honest, and it feels nothing like Guardian. I've played it. It is an inspiration at best. Aesthetically, it's the best Guardian remake out there. But as far as accuracy, it's not even close. It's an inspiration, it shouldn't look exactly the same. Also, if you've ever played Guardian, which I don't believe you have considering your reply, you'd know the big differences that the jumps made in the gameplay. Saying that it is perfect and exactly like Guardian just seems stupid, is what you should have said. Adding 1 jump in would make this map 10x better. I also believe he should remove the Hammer from the map. In Halo 3, that weapon only destroyed the gameplay and made it seem stupid. Saying that this map has the same feel as Guardian is the exact same thing as saying this map cannot be improved as a remake. In saying that, you are both lying to yourself and not giving helpful feedback. In the future, you should try to criticize maps instead of only mentioning what is good about it. In doing so, you will actually help to improve the creator's map, unlike you are doing now.
yeah Crummy and 4shot. . . . I think we can settle this by saying that some people really like this map for what it is and some people think it needs some or alot of work until its good enough. myself I am somewhere in between. I think that it is pretty good as it is but could use some improvements in some areas. and to 4 shot. If you really dislike this guardian remake this much, you dont have to play it. I will try to improve some parts of the map like adding a couple of jumps and stuff, I've allready told you that. so take it easy dudes.
Same here. I never said I disliked it, I just said most areas don't feel accurate enough to call this a remake. At the same time, I don't think I could fully call it an inspiration, since you got most of the layout accurate. The jumps will make this map a lot better, but there's just something about this map, something I can't describe, that doesn't make it feel right. I don't think it will prove to be a problem, but I'd need to get into more testing sessions before I can see exactly what this problem is. Maybe there weren't enough players in the party to have a good amount of fun? Maybe you didn't put the right starting weapon in the game? Maybe Slayer just wasn't the right gametype? Maybe the players just weren't competitive enough? I don't know, but the map just doesn't feel like it should. I'd like to get into more testing sessions, preferrably with a decent amount of players (8-10) before I make full judgement.
yeah man its all good ^^ obviusly this is not guardian and can never compare to the original. still Im trying to do the best I can with what forge world has to offer. but my hopes with this map is that people can experience something close to playing guardian.
Of course, but you should try to set up a 3v3/4v4/5v5 on this map sometime to test the true potential of the map. Off-Topic: Have you tried that map Highlands yet? It feels a lot like Standoff/High Ground.
yeah sure. Im testing it as often as I can. actually I havent Dl'd the new map pack yet. but will soon