I think... .Give us (significantly) more blocks . Have the blocks be very simple textures and shapes (eg. long, skinny rectangles, fat rectangles, triangles, circles or spheres?) . customizable colours . Movable objects (enough of them) Think about it.. this way, people could let their imagination run wild! We would not have to use these build-it kit items we have mostly been given in reach. It is purely my opinion, of course. I realize that many people are fully pleased, and that's fine, but I think the majority ( at least in this thread) agree to some extent that bungie could have used more common-sense when making this new forge.
Okay well maybe that is YOUR GUYS opinion, but I have a little suprise for you, and it might shock you but, complaining and bitching about it on an online forum wont help you at all, i suggest crying about it on bungie, because over here, it wont help you at all...
and i'd suggest you stop whining and bitching about people not agreeing with your statement in a online forum. also like you said Our Opinions. so now stfu and go cry in a corner and go with what the thread was made for. (btw, no one cares about your opinion) anyway back to topic i agree with most of the points you guys have put. (i agreed completely with the starting post) Objects should be more details... meh don't really care unless it looks and plays good. Tools are fine. could be more though. Custom games aren't so good atm. drive or die is like one of the only fun games atm for reach. Hopefully bungie will fix they need to do. for now reach is a good game. just could use a few more fixes.
Don't worry, Wresh. I care about your opinion. I feel like a lot of new members must have made accounts JUST to complain. Yes, there are valid complaints, but what we have is still improved. VASTLY improved. What did we have when Bungie gave us Forge 1.0. A map with set geometry. Some pallets, crates, and weapons. The game is a shooter, Bungie made a shooter, not a map creator. It will get better, I am sure. A large amount of effort went into other aspects of the game. More detail and power in those aspects. Someone suggested Bungie should have made two discs. That would fix the issue of cramming it all on one disc. However, it would not have fixed the issue of how much can fit in one map and still load it in a reasonable amount of time. We have frame rate lag on some of the Reach maps now, and you guys want MORE? The thread has kind of devolved from the legitimate points that Chan and some earlier posters made, to just flaming back and forth and expecting Bungie to have vomited up a golden god damn mesh that somehow would have given you all the complex tools you want, while being simple and intuitive that happens to make objects simple enough to render en masse but be detailed enough to be ascetically pleasing. Also, pink elephants and flying warthogs would have been drivable vehicles. I honestly have to ask. What do 'we' expect to be done to fix this, and what productive things are going to come out of this thread? P.S. Custom Games are the user's responsibility. Hence the custom aspect.
lets put this in different context. so your a hobo, and a guy (bungie) says he wants to give you something, but only food, because he doesnt want you to spend it on booze. so you ask him to just go and buy you a cheap, filling sub from harris teeter. instead, he chooses to buy you a big mac. its like, wow, its great and all that you gave me a bigmac, but we were right next to a harris teeter, where i couldve gotten a footlong sub for the exact same amount of money, and thats all i wanted. we arent saying we dislike the guy who gave us this food, but we would rather have a basic large sub than a smaller but more overpriced big mac. a lot of the points made by the people complaining havent been valid, but you people who are arguing back are fighting there obvious points instead of the legitimate points made by the OP, and a couple posts throughout here.
I'm not arguing for the sake of defending Bungie. I'm arguing that not every point is as legitimate as yours and Chan's. Your points are legitimate. I admit that. So there is no reason for me to dispute them. Some of the complaints, though, scream of the B.net's "What do you want in Forge?". There is a certain lack of realism that is kind of apparent in some of the replies, which is a shame, because as I've mentioned, there are some good points in here. Stand by my comment that they are pointless, though. I would also argue that in the given metaphor, the bum has no reason to complain, because hey, Bungie didn't force him to take the Big Mac, and a Big Mac is pretty damn good. I'm not going to point out that the Bum is getting free food, because I acknowledge that we pay for a game.. Just to be clear, I didn't mean to bash newer members with that statement. We're all new once, and I've got less than 200 posts under my belt. But the poorly-supported arguments are not coming from people with a thousand postcount. The ones most vehemently against Forge 2.0 are not names I've come to know and respect when they pop up in a thread or on a download. I suspect the people who were damn good forgers in Halo 3 can use Reach's forge to sculpt things that were never ever possible. As a pretty terrible forger myself, I think the inclusion of a phased and fixed setting nullifies most of the shortfalls.
Well this thread should jsut be locked, I dont see a reason why someone would make a thread just to complain, WHEN IT WONT CHANGE ANYTHING! This thread mainly has new members who have posted in it so I agree with ursus, this is just a bunch of new members who wont to flame bungie, when really they're just to greeding and wont more then what they already have. If you dont like it then go to bungie.net and complain about it there, because then the bungie crew can read you comments there, because quite frankly no one over here gives a **** about your complaints on forgeworld...especially when we cant do anything to fix your complaints...
The whole reason that Forge 2.0 is so much better than Forge 1.0 is because of this community and other sites like it. Bungie saw what people did with various tricks and turned forge into a much easier thing to use. I'm sure there are other things they added to Forge 2.0 because of what they heard from the community, so, complaining about it might help with the next version of Forge if there ever is one.
And we are important to Bungie, Forge hub is a valued community that creates most of the content and fun for other players. Bungie promotes our maps that we work hard on. So of course they would pay attention to us. But I think we should move this up to a higher level for Bungie to see.
I think that the staff of the site should make a list of all our suggestions, throw out all the "bad" ones, and present it to Bungie maybe?
I can dream can't I?? Who know, maybe they did listen to our complaints and fixed them in the new map pack
good spam. thats what happens to 99% of threads. great prediction, i bet you put a lot of time into that. and it has so much new content to add to the discussion too! just, such a great post. @ Mr Lamar, bungie will fix it, and i think they did it on purpose, because nobody would buy a completely unimproved DLC. marketing = succesfull, because even though i see right through them i will buy the DLC.
Ok, lemme get this straight, (because methinks that people are targeting me in their 'new member' complaints) I enjoy Forging on Forge World. It's what I do 90% of the time on Halo: Reach. Forge 2.0 is a vast improvement over Forge 1.0, and many good maps have been made through it on FW. (I check the file browser a lot) Now, currently, I am aiming to make a small-medium sized map for 4-8 players in mid-air with 2 levels, and honestly it's coming along quite nicely for my first 'real' map. (If I do say so myself...) If I tasked myself with that kind of map in Forge 1.0 on Sandbox, I'd be lost as I couldn't phase objects as easily, It would be very difficult to line everything up perfectly and tilt stuff on angles such as I have. Look, if there was an Undo/redo button (universal) and some higher/lower limits on certain items (2 Lights max?) then Forge World would be what I thought of it originally. In the ViDoc, the first thing that came to mind was a huge map, with crazy amounts of objects and a really high Forge budget, and I got what I wanted, just not in the proportions I thought I would. Don't get me wrong, Forge 2.0, and Forge World are above and beyond what Forge 1.0 and Sandbox could do, and it's amazing as it is, however the addition of maybe 1 or 2 things would have pushed the experience even further. (And I really don't want to sound like I'm flaming Bungie or whatever, I have a great respect for Bungie and their games, and I've been looking around the community for a little while before I decided to join.) P.S. As some have said, complaining here and fighting aren't going to solve much at all. I like Forge as it is, and I'm content using it. If you've got problems, you try making a map editor and showing us how it's better than Forge and Forge World...
If everyone had your mindset, **** wouldn't get done. Don't pull that "well that's just your opinion" card.