Pokémon General Discussion

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Randle Scandal, Mar 19, 2010.

  1. Klaydude11

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    I'm a little confused about your wording but I have a celebi that I can give you. I think it's legit but being level 100 isn't.
     
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  2. DimmestBread

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    I'm pretty sure you can use blissy as either a wall or a staller, depending on how You EV train it and its moveset. I would just think it would be best as a wall but I have never used it.

    For special sweeper, alakazam would work if you like it and think it fits your party. If not, maybe try gengar or magnezone. Espeon isn't bad either with its high speed and special attack and it has more HP then alakazam.
     
  3. Wood Wonk

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    it wont be a good as one trained from level one.
     
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  4. Benji

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    Why ?
     
  5. DimmestBread

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    Because pokemon gain more stats when they are trained then out in the wild. A gyarados trained from level one will be stronger at level 30 then a gyarados caught at level 30.
     
  6. Benji

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    Well yeah, but if I EV train, by level 50 they will be identical.
     
  7. DimmestBread

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    Pokemon.Marriland.com - Gyarados - HGSS Pokedex

    go towards the bottom of the page and it will have a table of gyarados's stats, including +252 EVs and 0 EVs. Notice how it has min and max for each. If started at level one, the stat will be near the max. If caught at a higher level it will be closer to lower. Its not much of a difference, probably so little you won't mind but If you are ridiculously serious, then it matters.

    EDIT: I just got hit by guillotine 3 times in a fricken row at the battle tower. WTF? It has 30% accuracy. Arghhhhhh
     
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  8. Benji

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    I don't see how catching it at a certain level affects its max stats. From what I know, when you catch a wild polemon, no matter what level, it will have zero EVs. Thats why I am pretty sure trained pokemon are stronger than wild ones; they have EVs. So if I give the Gyrados I caught at Lv30 252 attack EVs, It should be the same as If I gave a magikarp Lv1 252 Attack EVs.
     
  9. DimmestBread

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    I'm not saying that EV training is less efective, I'm saying that its base stats when caught will be less in certain areas. Its probably because of the IVs and that breeding gives you more or something like that. Wait for someone else to explain it because I guess I'm confusing you and I think I'm confusing myself. I say just train the red one.
     
  10. Benji

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    Yeah, I see what you're saying, and I feel that the IVs are good enough on the red one.
     
  11. Wood Wonk

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    EVs have nothing to do with it, nor do IVs. wild pokemon are weaker.
     
  12. Roland

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    I'm not a very big pokemon guy (just play the games because they are fun) so why dont people have starters in their parties most of the time? And what does EV train mean?
     
  13. DimmestBread

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    GameFAQs: Pokemon HeartGold (DS) EV Training Guide by 211kyle211

    This should answer your question on EV training. If not, just post again about it.

    Starters aren't bad for regular play like you will do, but for battle tower, they are usually to weak with the exception of a few.
     
  14. Benji

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    Yeah, but I always thought that was because they didn't have EV's.
    Got a source that says otherwise?
     
  15. Wood Wonk

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    nope.

    i dont have a source, but there is a small difference. it wont have too much effect, so unless you are really into competitive battling, you should be fine.
     
  16. DimmestBread

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    I have 2 brelooms at level 50 both with maxed attack EVs. One has 30 higher and that one started out at level 1. The other started at like level 20ish, I forget the exact level. However, that is a bit of a large difference. It shouldn't be much.
     
  17. Benji

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    alright.

    Well thats just a difference in IVs, or even nature.
     
  18. DimmestBread

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    same nature so must be IVs. I still say just train your red one. It looks cooler.
     
  19. Roland

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    Ok, thanks. This is what i needed to know (=
     
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    Ok I've seen a bunch of things worth commenting here on but I don't feel like going back and quoting everything so here goes.

    More often than not, a pokemon trained from level 1 WILL have better stats than a pokemon of same nature caught at a higher level. This is mainly due to the much higher chance of breeding better IVs and therefore, getting better base stats.

    Save for Swampert, Empoleon, and Infernape, and to a much lesser extent, Blaziken, and Sceptile, the starters are rather weak. Yes, I didn't include Charizard. As much of a beast as he is, he gets absolutely rocked in the metagame and Battle Tower.

    In response to DimmestBreed getting hit with back-to-back-to-back Guillotines: THAT. BLOWS.

    In response to Benji's question about his Gyarados, go ahead and train it. It should serve you pretty well.

    And to the kid who has the shiny Suicune, here's an offer I may throw out on the table: Shiny Adamant Arceus lv 80, no EVs yet, caught at the Hall of Origin in Platinum OR Shiny Timid Arceus, also untouched from Platinum (this one belonged to my cousin but he's done with Pokemon now).
     

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