Completely forgot about that. I'm not gonna unban the Noobtube but I will ban the Thumper. This will prevent people from using the OMA/Noobtube combo but at least you'll get your anti-camper device. I'm still kind unsure about letting the Heartbeat Sensor and Thermal be in. I'll see what others think. I play a lot of 2v2's and the automatic and akimbo shotguns incredibly overpower Sub Machine Guns. I want it to at least be somewhat fair for the people using them but I want the people that aren't to have a chance in close range too. That's why I'm leaving in the two that you have to pump after each shot and can't akimbo. I'm not too sure about the Ranger because I never use it so if anyone thinks the Ranger should be in then let me know. I'm letting the Throw Knife in if others think it should be. Well, I know people like their sniper rifles but the problem with the M16 and FAMAS is how flexible they are and how much of an advantage you have with them if you're host. At least with a sniper, you're kind of limited to long range (unless your really good at quick scoping) I don't want it to turn into an M16/FAMAS fest where nobody uses anything but that, but since a majority of people want them to stay then they're in. I banned Bling because limiting it so that everyone only gets one attachtment would add a challenge to it. I was considering banning Scavenger and making it so the only way you can keep a constant supply of ammunition is with One Man Army but at the cost of a secondary. I'm probably going to go with the latter though depending on what others think. I doubt anyone would use Scrambler to begin with so I decided to ban it anyway. I see what you mean with the Last Stand/Final Stand deal so I'll let that be in. I may or may not ban Hardline because there are much better options like Cold Blooded and Stopping Power, but if others think it'll be OP, I'll get rid of it. The reason I banned Harrier was that it kinda makes Precision Airstrike moot. However, I'm probably going to unban it anyway considering how popular it is. I agree with what you say on Sub Base and Wasteland. The reason I left out Rust was because of spawn killing, but I'll consider it. But having killstreaks over seven would promote camping way more than having them capped off at seven. I realize that people will camp regardless but I just want camping to be reduced a little bit. Unbanning Harrier. Well, I realize that their will be camping regardless but I'm just trying to reduce it by removing some things that promote camping more than others. Like I said, the list is a work in progress.
Maybe just keeping everything but the 1887s in is the best way to go... Because everything has a counter to it, its just disrupting the flow to remove anything.
Noted. Here's an updated list and some reasons why some things are still banned. Banned Shotguns * AA-12 * Striker * M1014 Auto shotguns and akimbo shotguns completely overpower SMGs. This is one of the main problems I have with MW2 being someone that uses SMGs religiously. I'm allowing shotguns that require a pause between shots because in my opinion, they're the only ones that aren't overpowering. Banned Launchers * AT4 * Javelin * RPG-7 These can kill people in one hit. By allowing only the Stinger and Thumper, you will get an anti aircraft weapon and an anti camping weapon. Banned Attachments * Akimbo * Grenade Launcher Akimbo because akimbo is just retarded. Grenade Launcher because they take way too little skill plus it can be abused with One Man Army. The Thumper is the only Grenade Launcher allowed because you wont be able to keep refilling it's supply. Banned Perks / Deathstreaks * Bling / Bling Pro (DEBATABLE) * Scavenger / Scavenger Pro (DEBATABLE) * Commando / Commando Pro * Danger Close / Danger Close Pro (Banned if Scavenger isn't banned, unbanned if it is not.) The reason that I personally want Bling banned is to add a challenge. It's currently up for debate at the moment. Now on to Scavenger: I think that One Man Army should act as Scavengers replacement. Not only does this promote teamwork by having to cover your teammate while he's replenishing ammo, but this also prevents noob tube abuse. Also, you get to choose between having a secondary and limited ammo or having only a primary but with the ability to resupply. Commando takes advantage of lag and host too much to be considered fair. Danger Close will only be banned if Scavenger isn't banned to help mitigate noob tube abuse but at the same time it will be unbanned if you guys agree with my points on One Man Army equaling Scavenger because it can be used to flush out campers. Banned Killstreak Rewards * Care Package * Emergency Airdrop * Pavelow * Stealth Bomber * AC-130 * Chopper Gunner * EMP * Tactical Nuke The Care Package and Emergency Airdrop is based around luck and not player skill. I also think that having no rewards over seven will help reduce camping. I may allow Stealth Bomber and Pavelow depending on what you all think. Thoughts?
That's a good point, but the fact that it fires in a straight shot and has a bigger blast radius would make it used more than the Thumper for getting rid of campers. At least with the Thumper you have to actually aim it at the right angle and everything. That's just my two cents.
I'd have said that OMA was more camp supportive than scavenger - if you need more ammo with scav., then you need to go out, find a dead body or kill someone, where as if you have OMA, you just crouch in a corner and get more ammo. Count me in, BTW.
I love how you don't have any SMG's banned. Uzi's hella overpowered, vector has great power/range, UMP is overpowered and is more like an AR than smg, the MP5K is way overpowered.
How about unbanning the FAMAS but keep the M16 banned? Do this because I'm pretty sure the FAMAS isn't quite as powerful and its a nice compromise. Also, Some may not have the M16 unlocked which may piss them off if others are using it and they can't. I'd go with banning scavanger just because its either that or unban bling. True, I'd actually keep hardline now that I think about it. I know your unbanning harrier but I'll say it anyway, the reason the precision airstrike is nice is it is one less kill, it passes three times, and you choose the direction it travels. Harrier has the one pass and maybe one or two kills before it gets shot down. I'd also ban all machine pistols. They are a bit ridiculous.
Machine pistols are not overpowered one bit, SMGs and Assault rifles are better in every way, its just there to give the sniper a viable secondary.
i will put in red what and why i want unbanned, green what i want to add, and pink to comment on possible bans. Spoiler
Well, they reason I didn't ban any SMG's is because of the fact that they're only the most powerful in their respective range (excluding the UMP.) I'm considering the UMP because it's a three shot kill to the chest at any range, but its up in the air as of now. I'm sorta on a limb. I agree that the M16 out classes the FAMAS in a lot aways including a faster ROF, tighter spread with Holographic, faster reload, etc. I'll let the people decide. I'm going to unban Bling, but I really don't want Scavenger in. Despite the fact that One Man Army promotes camping more, you sacrifice a secondary to have the ability to replenish ammo. Plus, it promotes a slighter bit of team work because instead of always being in the fight when getting ammo, you have to pause for three or six seconds and let your teammate watch your back. That's just my two cents. Good point. Didn't really think of that. Bling is in, Danger Close is out. And the fact that Akimbo is banned limits this a bit considering a G18 Akimbo is better than roughly any SMG at close range. You make a good point on the Striker. Plus, since there aren't any banned SMG's as of yet, I'll unban the Striker because even though you don't have to pump it, it still has a somewhat slow rate of fire and makes a great counter for SMG's. I'll let it in. The Ranger and 1887 are staying unbanned. Akimbo is banned to limit them from being to OP. I see what your coming from though and I'm thinking that banning the 1887 and Ranger and making the only available Shotguns the Spas and the Striker seems like a good decision if people seem to agree. If this is the case, I'll unban Akimbo. I think I've already explained my reasoning behind the AT-4. The fact that it has a bigger explosion and it fires in a straight line makes it way to easy to use. The Thumper requires more aiming skill and has a smaller explosion but with two shots. I'll unban Akimbo if people feel like it won't be an issue. However, if the Ranger and 1887 are not banned, you are banned from using Akimbo on them, but not any other weapon. I agree completely on Thermal but I'm in a limbo for Heartbeat. Considering that a majority of the time people use Ninja Pro, Heartbeat doesn't seem like it would be an issue. On the other hand, not everybody likes to use Cold Blooded in replace of Stopping Power all the time so I'm think that Heartbeat would be fine but Thermal will be out. I'm unbanning Bling. Seems that a majority of people want it in. Danger Close is more than likely going to be banned without a doubt. I think most can agree with me on that.
the ump isnt OP, although it is decent at all ranges it isnt great at any of them. an AR can beat it mid to long range, and a different SMG could beat it short range. its just versatile, but not overpowering at any range. also, thermal is conditionally useful. heartbeat sensors are great at ALL maps, and they find the enemy for you. a thermal could help you find the enemy, but in a non grassy map you would have already seen him. so thermal isnt as bad as heartbeat, although heartbeat isnt as painstaking to counter, if you dont counter it it would be worse. i think that this should be an enviroment where you can use sitrep or steady aim, considering on XBL you usually cant.
you're banning way too much for whatever this is in my opinion. everything in this game is counterbalanced by something, and you're stripping away half of it which is a bit silly. you're rendering what you're allowing as useless, because they counterbalance what you're banning in a lot of cases.
Agreed completely. I can see banning some of the higher killstreaks, but every gun and perk as its own pros and cons, as well as ways to counter it. Personally the only thing I think should be banned is the OMA/Danger Close combo. Alone they are perfectly fair and have their own uses, but together are a bit overpowered.
Ban the FAMAS. In my experience, people who have bad connections can shoot the ground next to you and still kill you. True story. I reckon keep the rangers, they are a good anti-camping weapon (I cleared out a room of four campers with akimbo rangers) but don't allow akimbo on them. People such as myself abuse it. Keep the 1887s, no akimbo. They're nowhere near as OP without akimbo. I'm not sure about the UMP, in an extreme CQC map it won't be good, but on other maps it's overpowering. I actually think you should ban akimbo for good, it pisses a lot of people off when people use a P90 akimbo. Plus, a guy once camped a doorway with akimbo P90s... THE WHOLE GAME. He just put a tac insertion there, so if he was killed he'd just respawn there and continue camping. That's my two cents.
Agreed completely, no single gun in a class is overpowered, (with the exception of the 1887) And the FAMAS is by no means overpowered. Nor is the M16.
if you know how to use it, it can one hit kill. however, so can a sniper, and we are allowing that. the M16 is my competive weapon, blinged with an undermount shotgun, SP, and steady aim with a stinger secondary. that is one deadly class. and sometimes i switch the stinger for a pistol, depends.
Danger Close should be allowed. As is obvious, it allows for greater explosions, but you give up stopping power or coldblooded, leaving you less powerful than others, or you can get killed by killstreaks.