Debate Disturbingly lifelike animate inanimate objects

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  1. Turkey bag56

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    They are everywhere, they vastly outnumber human kind and any one of them could wipe us out forever....
    Are the really just an object? Do they not live?
    If that is the case then they truly are disturbingly lifelike animate inanimate objects.


    I am of course talking about stars! You may think that they are defiantly 100% not living but the disturbing thing is that humans and stars have a lot in common.
    Here's a few thing we have in common:
    -We are both born and both die (differently than each other)
    -We use fuel to survive (food for us, nuclear reaction for them)
    -We are both born in different sizes and colours
    -We both have tools to survive when dying/in danger (adrenaline for us and YouTube- 1of5 -- The Universe - Life And Death of a Star 5:32-9:00 ^ YouTube- 2of5 -- The Universe - Life And Death of a Star 0:00-9:00 ^ YouTube- 3of5 -- The Universe - Life And Death of a Star 0:00-2:40 ^ (don't need to watch if you don't have time!)

    Life may be everywhere but we don't know it because where only used to the life on earth. Stars may be a kind of plant type life (just goes with the flow).
    What are your thoughts on this strange topic?
     
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  2. Grave Robber

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    In biology, the science of living organisms, "life" is the condition which distinguishes active organisms from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, functional activity and the continual change preceding death. Even though a star exhibit's characteristic's of life, it is not a living organism. A star is simple a large fire, just like a fire it burns in layers giving the star a lifespan. The "lifespan" a star has is no different from a common battery, which is in no way a living organism.
     
  3. sourdauer

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    the basic unit for life is the cell, stars and viruses have no cells and thus are not living
     
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    You two are thinking about life on earth. Here everything has cells but it is possible for things to get other ways of living but that is hard to imagine because where only used to life on earth. Think about it, life may have evolved somewhere without liquids or DNA and could we imagine such life? Nope because it isn't earth-like. I'm 1/2 and 1/2 on this, I don't know what to think. o_0
     
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    Stars are a gigantic nuclear reaction that continues on for millions of years because it has huge resources. Nothing more, nothing less. How would such a being be able to think? Everything within it is being burnt up!
     
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    Maybe it could survive the heat/radiation or more likely it can't! Plants here can't think and it would be similar to them. Just goes with whatever's happening! You need to think outside the sphere! :O
     
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    I can see the possibility for an extremely complex being (or even a simple one) within a star, but I reject it because I can see no reason for such a being to exist. What could possibly be made up of Hydrogen and Helium, with trace amounts of other elements and be able to 'think'?
     
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    It doesn't need to think but maybe it still could! I'm talking about the star itself...
    Think of this:
    There is a very smart life form living on pluto made up only of rocks! With there powerful telescopes they look down upon earth and see green. They manage to get a picture of what the green is (plants, trees ect). They look at it and say "this is just a new form of soft rock, it couldn't possibly think or live with such a soft surface. It's movement is so low it's probably just the wind on that planet making it move!" They then send there probes elsewhere. (Just made all that up on the spot!)
    Could we be doing the same thing as they did! o_0 (not the probes bit!!!)
     
  9. noklu

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    Celestial rocks? I can admit the possibility of such a thing. I presume it would use electrical currents running through conducive elements. How could such a thing occur through a sun? And don't say it uses the emitted rays of energy. Close to the sun there would be far too much confusion to register which data is which, along with additional rays coming in.
     
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    I'm not really saying it is possible, but more that it's Disturbingly lifelike! (cheep attempt to dig myself out of this hole!)
    But really, if we find a few other types of life forms out there we might learn that even earth is living! (probably not) We just don't have the information to imagine such things at this current time. Think of all the weird things that we know so far?
    -Time is different in different places.
    -singularities in black holes.
    -Parallel universes.
    -Dark matter/dark energy
    -ect
    It seems like anything's possible nowadays!
     
  11. noklu

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    The universe is huge, and I admit that there is much I do not understand. Stars simply seem lifelike. It is one of those coincidences that life shows us. Given the huge amounts of data in existence, there will be 'coincidences.'

    It was a cool idea, but impossible.
     
  12. Turkey bag56

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    I'll agree with that! Even the visible universe is so big it's incomprehensible to anyone and outside that could be trillions of times bigger than inside. I still wouldn't call it impossible just yet, but highly unlikely...
     
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    It works like a system, and systems are lifelike because life is a type of system.

    You can't biologically class it as life, and it has no consciousness.
     
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    Plants have consciousness?
     
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    ^^^ Some people think they have a slow consciousness, but I think they don't.
    Life is defined as anything that has cells. I think.
     
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    I said AND it has no consciousness.
     
  17. Vincent Torre

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    The fundamental building block of any lifeform is the amino acid. With it you can create stuff like RNA and DNA which is the building blocks of the cellular arangement we call life.

    Stars a purely chemical. They're a massive amount of varying chemicals, typically a heavy metal core with a ultra dense layer of hydrogen on it's "surface" (even though stars have no real surface). This super dense assortment of hydrogen cause a Fussion reaction that has a few side effects. The first and most obvious is the release of energy as electrons change state, or light. Light is the most beneficial biproduct of this reaction as it is at a low enough energy level that our cells don't break down from it. The next major release is Gamma radiation. This happens as the neutrons on the combining cells are shot off of the reaction. Gamma radiation would kill every living thing in it's contact as it is a super high energy wave. Gamma radiation is blocked from the planet thanks to the ionosphere surrounding earth, which is one of the leading causes of life being sustainable on this planet. There's also release of protons and electrons that form alpha and beta particle, but those are also trapped inside the ionosphere.

    Are stars lifeforms? No as their reaction is purely chemical.
    Are we connected to stars? Of course, the universe is one big energy field and the basic laws of physics apply no matter how massive or nanoscale. Everything behaves exactly the same in all parts of the universe (except when it does the opposite).

    Physics is fun.
     
  18. Dreaddraco2

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    I believe he thinks of stars as some form of non-biological life, it's a well known fact that anything can group together and organize, but it's very complex, and forming life is near-improbable.
     
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  19. FSCnightstalker

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    This just shows you can debate about anything… Okay where should I start.
    This is being brought about the wrong way
    First of all stars are not living things you are wrong there. However… Stars can be compared to living things. In many poems and different works of literature stars and the sun (which is basically a star) are compared to living things. Most of you are comparing us to the sun too directly. By that I mean you are considering the major differences and indifferences instead of subtle ones. His major point SHOULD BE just that we are alike in different ways such as we both require a fuel source and several other things. However stars are inanimate they do not think nor do they have actions the only actions taken by stars are by their own instability and I disagree that Pluto’s rocks can think…
     
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    American documentaries are fail! And that one was full of holes. Consider any conclusions drawn to be inadequate or unrealiable.
     
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