Night babe :3 Now that Er1co has discovered how bigotry has no place in a debate, may I repost my question?
The point is that no such source exists. He went to sleep, and I'm sure we'll see him back here tomorrow with some other tired tactic. Plus, if he did miraculously find an unbiased, current, and real study and posted it, that isn't slander.
Separation between church and state could pretty much be another debate topic in and of itself. But as to your question, I would disagree about having civil unions replace marriage. There's no reason to pander to the ignorant and fearful and drop things down to the lowest common denominator for everyone. That would be like a professor dropping all of the upper echelon students to the level of the near-failing just because they think the smart kids are different than them. Marriage needs to be redefined as a lifelong bond between two consenting (adult) human beings, regardless of race, religion, or sexual preference. Rename common-law marriage to civil unions and be done with it.
I do have a question for Erico, What is the difference between the gay right's movement today and the civil right's movement back in the 60's?
I actually made a debate topic on separation of church and state. Anyway, I firmly believe that everyone should have equal rights. I can't really say much more, but I know two homosexuals getting married will not hurt me, a heterosexual.
Some statistics about the Homosexual lifestyle: 100% of homosexuals are robots from the future sent back in time to ruin marriage and end human reproduction once and for all.
You guys do realize that there are 8+ people against 1... Along with the every so often person who claims I'm hurting someone else, along with those who insist on swearing and using all caps every other line just to get their points across, along with those who come in every other page just to state one irrelevant point which throws off the debate, along with me getting exhausted after replying to the majority of people... Add all that up and yea, the chances are higher I'm going to lose.. no matter what I say. In the end, this is just a predetermined and pointless debate.
Dude, I think Rush Limbaugh said that the other day. It was either that or that blacks were coming from the future to steal our football and KFC.
All Debates on this forum are pointless, its not like we here on Forge-hub can change the way the world works simply by debating it in a thread. Besides you weren't debating the topic, which is marriage not homosexuality in general.
As decadent as I find the idea of marriage, renaming the entire system sounds a bit arbitrary. But if it gets people to understand that getting married is a right, not a privilege (a right which gays deserve), and that marriage is a government affair, not a Christian one, then I guess it has a purpose. People do like their traditions though, even in the face of change. Keep it as marriage, gays can join in too. Well hold up there! You could make an argument so moving, so poignant, so informative, so compelling: that we will all agree that gays don't deserve the right to marry, or any other rights for that matter. But I doubt it. If you can't explain, in CLEAR TERMS, why gays shouldn't get married, then all you're doing is stirring unnecessary discrimination against a group of people for religious devotion's sake. Seriously, the bible tells you gays are lesser people, and because you believe it so unquestioningly, then you can't even consider the possibility it is untrue. Do you honestly expect me, US, to feel sorry for you?
That's my point.. Glad we cleared that up Says you You? haha you're a funny one... All of you? well, I don't know if sorrow is what I expect, but I guess that's one of the side effects at least some people would feel. Otherwise, not so much.
Well Empathy is what I feel, not Sympathy. Being the minority looked down on by a majority of society sucks doesn't it? I at least hope you know how you make gays feel, now that we all basically disagree with your lifestyle choices. The difference is we feel it everyday, all the time, people always stare at us and we are outcast's, but I'm happy that some people are finally getting used to the fact that we have a right to live whether or not most of society do not agree with it. All I'm really trying to say is it sucks when people think your something negative to a majority and I hope you can understand now how it feels.
Well I guess you still don't get I was trying to make a simple point across you still remain ignorant, well in this Debate, we are the majority and your the minority. I figured you'd at least somewhat comprehend any slight harm you can cause simply by saying we're unnatural.
Yea, we already know that. Yes, the point that being the social outcast bothers you. My grandpa was a severe alcoholic, he was a social outcast. He had problems, you have problems, the rest of the world has problems. Everyone is capable of changing. That's my opinion, and I'm not trying to insult you.
But thats the thing right there, I have no problems with who I am, and homosexuality occurs naturally therefore it's only wrong in your eyes and others who are blinded by ignorance as well. Thats the part thats the hurtful ER1CO, saying we have a problem that needs changing don't post that again or I will report you to Shock Theta once more.
I don't see any evidence that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. Making a gay person straight would be like making you, Erico, gay. It is not your natural feelings and you would be incredibly depressed and think that you are an abomination for your natural attractions (in this situation I am turning the tables and making the majority of society think straightness is wrong).
I don't understand this tactic you're using of telling him that the reasons he is giving constitute slander and you're going to get him censored. That will not change his mind, instead it will give him confidence that you don't have an actual answer to his statements. And I'm not sure if you realize this, but in a debate the winner isn't the first one to hit the other one with a banhammer or any other blunt object. Let me recap for you ER1C0's participation in this thread. Many months ago, he came in and basically said being gay is a choice, and edited the post supporting some other people using biblical reasons. Then, to explain how being gay is bad, he used the "no reproduction so the whole world will eventually die" reason. After some more god, the attacks turned against him personally, and he felt prompted to leave the thread for a long time, which is a decision I like. Then a few weeks ago, he came back with quotes from Leviticus and a statement that he believes Homosexuality can be cured. Then just the other day he came in with our favorite statistics list about why being gay is bad, and dropped the whole religion angle. Now he's back on the "gay is a choice, therefore no gay marriage" angle once again. How about we call out the circular argument that has just restarted with him, and for probably the dozenth time if we include all participants and not just ER1C0. Pointing out that those against same sex marriage have nothing we can't refute, so they're just repeating themselves is the right tactic here, not threats of censorship. Edit: upon rereading, I just want to make it clear that I understand why you're feeling insulted and I don't blame you for it, I just think that censoring statements you don't like is absolutely the wrong way to respond. and @ER1C0, circular argument is circular. Do you have anything new to bring to the table?