This complacency only slows down the time it takes to reach a solution. You are being somewhat passive about this topic. Gay people want equality; why is it taking that long? No, it is not equal right now; if it was, why is there a debate? EDIT: Paulie, you oppose gay marriage because... who says so? What would your hypothetical punishment be? Do you think gays will go to Hell for being born that way?
i don't agree with it, i AM a catholic and its against my faith, idc what any of you say, i respect all your opinions. but i oppose it.
Though, have you given it much thought, rather than to dismiss it immediately just because of your faith? I can name a large amount of catholic churches that support gay marriage. Besides, popping in here just to say that you oppose it because of faith isn't adding to the debate much.
YOU are not the one getting married. So why does it matter? Do you think stopping gays getting married will stop them being gay? Faith is not an argument, it will never be.
My opinion on this is that in my eyes as long as I am happy with girl and as long as same sex couples are happy together than IMO that's totally fine.
I am myself a gaybe, if thats what they call it now, and I find not the urge to date other men but rather i feel more comfortable with myself and others which simply breeds confidence. My only problem is that i still believe in a seperation of church and state. If the church says that gay marriage is not allowed within its premises thats something we all have to deal with. The government shouldnt have that kind of control over the church and vice versa. However, I do believe that Civil Unions are a much more fair and balanced for the government to give homosexuals the same rights as heterosexuals. And if the issue of Christian gays--who feel incomplete without the ability to get married under their church--comes into question, i pose my own question, how can you believe in a god who doesnt believe in the sanctity of your union with your partner? FIN Thats just following a group mentality when you cant think for yourself, how do you think the church came to be?
We all know that this is a very touchy subject. I'll try to be as .. "polite" as I can. My religion says that homosexuality is a sin. Hold it, don't flash your eyes through this text... actually read. Okay, so here are some quotes from... yes, the Bible: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." -Leviticus 20:13 "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." -Leviticus 22:18 "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done." -Romans 1:26-18 Homosexuality is a sin, just like alcoholism, fornication, idolaters, adulterers, the effeminate, thieves, revilers, swindlers, etc. All of these things can be "fixed", so to speak. People are capable of changing, whether it's counseling, a revelation, etc.. Marriage, on the other hand, is, according to my religion, between one man and one woman. This traditional, sacred act has been around for centuries and centuries. Homosexuals should not marry in the same way that heterosexuals marry. I think that Civil Unions should be the way to go... as a last resort. I believe that homosexuality can be cured just as most other problems... even if people are born this way. My grandpa was an extreme alcoholic, was divorced, etc. etc. but he had to live with it. He had to deal with it and I believe that homosexuals do too.
oh wow, really ER1C0? Holy ****, I have absolutely no respect for you at all. I agree traditional Marriage should be a thing of men and women, but legally married should be fine. Being Bi-sexual I understand this, ER1C0, you shouldn't say things like that ever to anyone on a site that greatly discourages discrimination. Thinking that homosexuality can be cured makes me believe you to be a very deeply disturbed individual, homosexuality isn't a mental state it's a physical manifestation, you can't "cure" your genetic Make-up. It has been proven that homosexuality is caused by genetics, not sin.
In my opinion, marriage is a purely religious ceremony, and therefore, the rules about marriage should be the beliefs of the type of marriage. E.g. If the majority of Christians believe it's wrong, then in Christian Marriages, the rules should be against it. This wouldn't stop homosexuals being homosexual, and would not infringe religious beliefs. People don't have to marry, it doesn't prove anything, it's just an expression of beliefs and an exchange of vows. There are other was to express beliefs, and anyone can make a vow, it doesn't have to be in a specific ceremony.
He didn't say that, you're reading it wrong. He's saying that as with anything else that's not natural, you can at least try to cure it instead of just keep going on straight through. I think. Personally, I'm kind of torn on the idea. I know that the church and state are supposed to be separate, at the same time I just...don't feel like this should be a good minority of people when I'm an adult and have children, which if they can get married I wouldn't be surprised if it does (confusing sentence, too lazy to fix ). It's a purely selfish thought, and not really thought out enough...I guess I don't care horribly either way, but I don't think ERIC0 is so ridiculous. I guess I feel like as long as they try to be....normal (trying not to be offending here :/), then I'm totally fine with it. I'm just not such a huge fan of the guys who flaunt their sexual orientation EVERYWHERE
See, right there's your problem. **** religion, marriage is and always should be a spiritual bond between two consenting adults, proclaiming to the world their undying love for one another. End of story. If you want to bring your religious beliefs into your marriage, then good for you. But to deny the legal rights that marriage entails for one group of people just because you don't like their sexual orientation is something that even your Invisible Man (who supposedly created ALL of us in His image) would find repugnant and ****ing stupid. Ideas and concepts are meant to be fluid and constantly evolving, not archaic and devoid of rational thinking. Let's all get on board, shall we? The world might just end up a better place for it.
No, Marriage is a religious ceremony. Marriage should follow the rules of the religion which created that specific marriage ceremony, it's their right. If you payed attention to any other part of my post, you'd notice I never said anything about being religious. I'm an atheist. You don't need a purely religious ceremony to prove your undying love for another person, it's a religious ceremony. If you created a sport or game (or ceremony), what gives someone else the right to change all the rules?
I have a gay friend. Good guy. Never held that against him. It's totally okay with me. However, I don't think that you can be born gay. If you could, then animals would be gay too. We're no different from them. I think it's something that you grow a taste for. Like, if you start watching anime porn or like blonde's better than brunettes, and so on. If you develope a taste for other gay people, then well, you're what I consider gay. But I don't like it when there are little six year old's that say "I wanna be a girl" so the parents go out and get a sex change for them. They don't know at that age what they're saying. I do believe that gay's should be allowed to marry each other. However, I think that they deserve their own seperate category, because marriage is defined as a bond between a man and a woman, and it's not really fair to all the people who consider it ONLY that, to now change it. A bond between a man and a man should be called something else, but still be given all the rights of a marriage. Everyone would be happy except for religious freaks, who no one really cares about anyway.
Sure, I agree with you that religions get to define which marriages they perform. And nonreligious marriages should be allowed to be performed between two men or two women. Marriage stopped being a purely religious institution the instant the government made law specific to married couples. I really don't see what the difficulty is in understanding that. Gay people just want the same legal rights as everybody else. As for those saying that homosexuality just needs to be fixed, that level of hate for something in no way hostile sickens me. Being gay harms nobody in any way, therefore it is not a problem, therefore it does not need to be fixed. Oh hi separate but equal, how you doin? Been a while since I heard from you. When was that, 1954 that those jerks said you were ruled unconstitutional? Man, I hope you've been working on some new arguments, cause really, once you're declared unconstitutional its really hard to make it back into law. I suggest you try working a religious angle, that seems to get lots of votes in this country. Oh you are? Good for you. Well, good luck getting back into law, I guess. No, no I won't be voting for you. What do you mean what do I mean? You're kind of a jerk man, sorry about that. Well fine, I apologize for being polite to you all this time. Jerk.
The reason marriage is even associated with non-religious society is because alot of society (Up until a couple hundred years ago) was built upon religious beliefs. But still, how would you feel if someone copied your beliefs into a legal system you have no say over, and completely change the rules?
How would I feel? Are you kidding me? You're seriously making the argument that gay marriage should be illegal because we don't want to hurt the church's feelings? Boo ****in hoo. Better start researching what the first religion was that began performing marriages, cause I think they're owed a great big apology for all this time we haven't been doing it their way. Rules change. Get over it.
Yeah I don't really like that either. I mean, of course I feel a bit uncomfortable in a room full of gay guys. Of course I question if that gay guy's voice is REALLY that high pitched. I question if that's really all that necessary, and because it makes me feel awkward FOR that person, I don't like it when they really exaggerate their gayness in front of me. But it's not like I'm going to tell them to stop it, or make fun of them. That'd be mean. I'd just simply not hang out with that particular person if they were constantly flaunting it. Just like how a fat chick constantly would talk about her weight, I would not want to hang out with that person. I don't like the fact that there are so many people that are gay because then I have to be wary in so many ways. Like going to a public bathroom, being really close to a guy, and all that other stuff. But sometimes people forget that they're just like us when it comes to that stuff. If I'm a guy who is attracted to girls, does that automatically mean that EVERY girl I see, I'm going to think is hot? Am I going to put my hand on some girl's leg on the subway that I don't know, just because I think she's cute? No.
You're saying the people who made their own specific marriages shouldn't have rights over it because we don't want to hurt homosexual's feelings? Boo hoo.